What did the one of the first private astronauts really see during the dawn of commercial spaceflight? In this fascinating conversation, filmmaker Kevin Curran joins Jim to discuss Beyond Blue Sky: The Untold Story of the First Private Astronauts and the extraordinary experiences of astronaut Brian Binney during the historic SpaceShipOne program.

From high-risk experimental flights to mysterious glowing figures just days after a devastating crash, this is a story that blends aerospace history with one of the most compelling UFO encounters we’ve heard in years.

Kevin shares the behind-the-scenes story of how the documentary came together, why Binney chose to reveal his experience, and what other astronauts and test pilots may have encountered over the years.

Along the way, Jim and Kevin explore the changing conversation around UAPs, disclosure, and what it all could mean for humanity’s place in the universe.

Interestingly, this interview was recorded before the recent UAP file releases. During the conversation, Jim speculated that the Apollo astronauts may have witnessed things they never fully disclosed publicly, based on little breadcrumbs left over the years. Recent revelations appear to lend weight to those suspicions. No psychic powers required, Jim was just paying attention. A remarkable discussion that will leave you looking at the night sky a little differently.

Beyond Blue Sky is currently available on Apple TV.