In this two part edition of The Paranormal Podcast, Medium and Spiritual Teacher Claire Broad joins us to talk about the soul & afterlife.
In part two, filmmaker Melissa Tittl joins us to talk about her new film project, The Code 12 Movie, and how it lead her into the matrix!
You can find Claire’s latest book, Heaven Sent: Soul Lessons from the Afterlife, at Amazon: https://amzn.to/417OUx2
You can find Melissa’s film project at https://www.code12themovie.com/
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Jim:
We have a power packed show. Today we start off with Claire Broad, Heaven Sent: Soul Lessons from the Afterlife. Then Melissa Tittl joins us to talk about Code 12, the movie. It’s kind of like a trip into the Matrix. Up next on The Paranormal Podcast.
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Jim:
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If you followed me anytime at all, you know that my favorite subject is probably that of the afterlife because we might not all see a UFO, we might not even see a ghost. We might not have any kind of supernatural experience that we know of in our life necessarily.
But one thing that we will all do is we will pass over. Now I believe our soul goes on, but still it’s a great mystery. So I’m always fascinated by information about the afterlife and interviews about the afterlife. Today we’re talking with Claire Broad. She’s been on the show multiple times, always a lot of fun and great insights she has and she has a new book out: Heaven Sent: Soul Lessons from the Afterlife and Claire is a medium spiritual teacher and bestselling author. She has over 25 years of professional experience working as a spiritual practitioner, bringing greater soul awareness and comfort to thousands of people across the world. She’s accredited as a registered and approved medium with the Institute of Spiritualist Mediums and works with her spirit team in various ways, including one-to-one private sessions, public speaking, teaching and writing. Now she’s appeared many times in mainstream media featured in the UK National Press and Guesting on radio stations and popular podcasts such as BBC Radio Five Live, BBC Radio Four, Howard Hughes the Unexplained TV, and Jim Harold’s Paranormal Podcast. That’s a great honor to be included in the list of all those folks. Claire is the author of the bestselling books, Answers From Heaven, What The Dead Are Dying to Teach Us, and Heaven Sent, which is the book we’ll talk about today. She trains at the world renowned college of psychic studies in London as well as running her own successful and ever-growing training program. Claire, welcome to the show today. Thank you for joining us.
Claire Broad:
Thank you so much, Jim. It’s lovely to be here for your listeners and what a fantastic intro. Thank you.
Jim:
I’m tired, I’m tired, and that’s a credit to you, everything that you’ve done and continue to do. Now this book Heaven Sent, for our listeners, can you give a brief synopsis of the premise of the book?
Claire Broad:
Sure. Well, as a medium, a channel between the two worlds, traditionally over the last 25 years or probably 20 years, I focused very much on evidence-based mediumship. And I think what happened in those times over the last 20 years was that the general public were very much needing, if you want, that evidence of survival. And they still do. There’s many, many mediums out there trying to provide evidence of survival. So up until now I had written about how people can have confidence in an afterlife by exploring mediumship, what consciousness studies are, how mediums are often studied scientifically and focusing very much on the analytical side of things. However, the spirit world and my spirit guides were nudging me into a different direction over the last four years because they were telling me that people were ready for the next level of understanding and that they wanted me to write a book about the soul because without soul knowledge we can’t actually understand the bigger picture.
So evidence of survival and mediumship was one aspect of understanding eternal consciousness. But until we understood our own eternal souls and got in touch with that, none of us would ever really evolve or ascend into higher knowledge. So heaven Sent is that next bit along. It’s all about the soul, but most importantly what I’ve found over 25 years of practice now is that readings and connections between the spirit world and this world happen because there is love there. That’s the driving force, the energy behind which people reach out to each other between two worlds. And so I found that I was privy to a lot of information that maybe we wouldn’t be normally about. Soul connections, soul love, the eternal nature of it, the different types of soul bonds that we make. And I was asked by the spirit to write about unconditional love and conditional love that we experience here on earth in order to help us ascend and the different types of most common soul connections so that people can pick up the book.
See, oh, I’ve had that experience that was really painful. Maybe this was the lesson I was taking from it, or this is what my soul’s trying to show me because everybody that comes to me and my work has evolved now into soul healing and soul guidance readings from the evidence-based stuff because people were coming to me ready for wanting deeper knowledge, deeper understanding about why they’re here, life purpose, what it is they’ve come to accomplish. Lots of people are interested in past lives that I think the community is much more open-minded now with the brilliant research that is out there all around us and people are expanding their knowledge. So Heaven Sent is deep, it’s a deep dive but hopefully very simplistic and really applicable to everybody’s lives.
Jim:
So in other words, let me see if I understand this. Before we were talking about a lot of evidence that we do go on and that you could contact Uncle Henry, and Uncle Henry can explain things from your life that only you would know or the person who’s sitting for the reading and that would be the evidence that the soul goes on. We’re beyond now the idea that the soul goes on that has been established. Now we want to draw life lessons from the other side, essentially.
Claire Broad:
Yes, I mean I say to clients that come to see me, often the clients will come saying, I want to hear this, this or this. And some people will come saying, I have got a code, we agreed. I won’t believe in an afterlife until after all of that’s proven. So when I’m doing a reading, obviously there is still the evidence-based stuff that comes in, but I have noticed that there is so much wisdom and philosophy and insight available to us from spirit guides, from our spirit, loved ones. And instead of us coming to a reading saying, I want to hear this, this and this and this or I won’t believe, we really limit what we can learn. So in readings that I do now of course there’s evidence-based stuff in there, that’s my roots, but I’m focused more on what can we gain from those who have walked the path before us?
What insights can give us? How can the guide we’re guided by intelligence much greater than our own? How can the guides help us understand why have I entered for this lifetime with the people I’ve entered in? Why have some of these lessons been so tough? Am I with my soulmate? Or for instance, lots of people have lost a soulmate or lost a life partner, lost a twin flame or lost a karmic connection or a catalyst. I write about all this in the book, they’re hurting .Angel babies, earth family, soul family. There are so many different types of soul pairings each with their own. What I found fascinating because I have been somebody who is interested in the science and research is that these soul bonds have common factors to them. So even though everybody’s lives are individual, thousands of people now over 25 years coming to me, coming with the same problems, hurts, pains, grief, losses, heartaches because we’re all soul.
We’re all from an energy that is unconditional in love and we fall away from it in this earthly condition. And my job’s always about trying to help people to fulfill and live to their highest potential. And it’s not just about hearing that granny saw you in the shop yesterday buying a pair of shoes. That’s fascinating. It helps you to have trust that there’s an afterlife, but then what? There is a missing piece to the puzzle. If you go on and if you can accept maybe the concept of reincarnation even, why? What are trying to do, whatcha trying to achieve here? Why have you had such tough lessons? Why have you experienced heartache, loss? Why has your soulmate left you 10 years early or prematurely or what are you trying to achieve out of the suffering? Let’s be honest, life is not just a box of chocolates and I think sometimes spiritual knowledge can come across as quite fluffy. This is the real grit because we all suffer. We all suffer. So it’s just the spirit world in a very simplistic manner, trying to help people understand. We’ve got some deeper knowledge for you that you can gain an insight from if you’re ready for it. If you’re not, that’s fine. I’m not here to convert anyone’s thinking. You have to come to this truth when you’re ready and in your own way. And I’ve come to it through personal experience. I wouldn’t ask anyone to believe me. I have written Heaven Sent from personal experience.
Jim:
Now it’s interesting to me, you talk about in the book soul’s journey together in soul families and that concept’s always fascinated me. Can you talk about that?
Claire Broad:
Sure. Well in the book I try and introduce people to the fact that they’re energy first and foremost and the energy doesn’t die, it’s indestructible, it just changes form and at the root of it all, we have a physical body, we have a spiritual body, but we are a soul. And there’s a difference there in the terminology. Now the soul is consciousness, it’s energy, it’s primary, it’s love. And I try and explain to people that love isn’t just an emotion. Love is an energy. And what happens as the soul journeys through space and time, it appears. So from what I’m being taught and from what I’ve experienced myself personally, is that we – trying to find the right words but very, the language is a barrier here when we come in talking about the soul – but it’s like we vibrate or we exist at a frequency based on our level of consciousness and the way in which we resonate or are in alignment with that love and we attract to us in the spirit world souls of equal consciousness and they become soul family because we’re energetically bonded.
Everything in the universe is, and we know this happens here or in our world because we’ll say we walk into a room for instance, we’ll vibe easily with somebody. Somebody else, it’s like pulling blood from a stone trying to get conversation going. There’s something going on between us in exchange where we just feel comfortable, we feel we’re on the right or the same wavelength. It’s the same thing in the spirit world, the souls resonate and how well they resonate together, how harmoniously. I tend to think of it like music will pull us together, which is why in the spirit world it seems heavenly compared to here because in the physical world we’re in with everybody and that’s the beauty of it. I know you already, there you are. I know a pair of romantic soulmates who have been together their whole lives from teenage years and they just knew the first time they met, that’s my wife, that’s my husband, I’ve come here to do this with you. So it’s that. It can sound very convenient what I’m saying, but in practice, and I always look for the evidence and I’m seeing it over and over again over. People tell me all the time, I just knew them, I knew them, I recognized them. The love was instant. It’s unconditional, it’s deep. And that’s because you’ve journeyed together so many times already. You’ve built that bond, that energetic soul bond already. Soul family and earth family are different. Sorry Jim, I just realized I diverted a bit.
Jim:
No, that’s alright. No, this is good. This is all good. So from lifetime to lifetime, do the roles tend to stay the same? For example, let’s say that in this life I have two daughters. My next time would they be my two sons maybe or maybe they’re my siblings? I mean do the roles change from lifetime to lifetime or do they tend to have a consistency in your view?
Claire Broad:
It could be either/or because we’re talking about the soul here, which is infinite potential. It’s the most creative force there is. I can only speak from personal experience as somebody who met my twin soul. I can say that when I met him I had flashbacks that were just hitting me, of lifetime after lifetime after lifetime where I traveled through obviously physical realities with him and there were every type of different type expression of relationship there. So I believe probably depending on what that group of souls wants to achieve together, you might think I’m going to come down and do that again because I didn’t quite get that right or let’s do it from this way. So in Heaven Sent I write about all the worlds of stage and how our lifetimes really are in a sense we’re like players in a big production and in this lifetime we have taken on these roles because this is where the greatest learning is for us.
The soul is not female, the soul is not male, the soul is energy, consciousness. And so you can for instance, in one lifetime, I’ve often been shown previous lifetimes by the spirit guides and they may well show me that a lifetime being experienced as now, here, is related to a previous existence that once happened where a certain storyline played out that wasn’t quite finished or hadn’t yet been resolved or could be built upon. And it was being, if you want, brought up to date now in our times. This takes a leap of faith. I understand this, I can only say it because I’m seeing it all the time and I’m having personal experience of it, but I think a lot of people could, I get a lot of people contact me saying, I believe that my son could be my great grandfather of blah, blah blah because of these similarities and the looks are the same, the behaviors are the same.
I dunno, all I can say is looking and researching this and listening to everyday people’s stories, it seems that it could be either/or Jim. Infinite potential, but we definitely choose to stay with our soul. So some people get very panicky when they hear me say this because they think, oh my soulmate passed. Does that mean they’re not going to wait for me? They’ll incarnate with some other support. The soul family, I can’t wait to see them again. I’m hanging on for that. We wait for each other. These lifetimes happen. Well, we don’t understand time for one.
Jim:
That’s true. That’s a scientific fact.
Claire Broad:
Absolutely. So I think these lifetimes are probably all happening almost simultaneously. It’s absolutely mind boggling. They’re happening in the now, but we only experienced them linear like we’re now, it’s totally mind bending and I’m trying to keep it as simple as possible and just pass on what the spirit world have shown me. But I can tell you in 25 years of doing thousands now of readings, our loved ones wait for us. They wait for us in our soul family, in our pods, especially the ones that we’re so close to and love so dearly. They wait, they want to be with us and then we go round again. So quite often romantic soulmates will say, I love you so much, let’s do it again. Let’s do that again.
Jim:
Well, it’s a fascinating topic. Our guest is Claire Broad. The book is Heaven Sent: Soul Lessons from the Afterlife, and we’ll be back right after this.
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Jim:
We’re back on the Paranormal Podcast. Our guest today is Claire Broad and we’re so glad to have her with us to talk about her new book. Heaven Sent: Soul Lessons from the Afterlife, Claire, the phrase, the word, karma. We throw it around so much, somebody cuts us off in traffic and speeding down the road and then we pass ’em a mile or two down the road and they have a flat tire and we say that’s karma. And then another thought is, let’s say, and I’ve had this experience, you had a really bad boss, like a really mean boss, and then you think, well maybe I was a mean boss in the past life and this is kind of payback. So karma’s often kind of projected in a negative life like, oh, you’re getting your just desserts because you did X, whether it’s yourself or somebody else, it seems to be portrayed in that way. Oh, that’s karma. You don’t hear as much in positive. You get a windfall and you say, oh, I must’ve done something good. That must’ve been karma. So it seems to be portrayed in a negative light. What do we get wrong about karma and what would you like people to know about the concept of karma?
Claire Broad:
Exactly. I think some of us beat ourselves up. Now what the spirit world has taught me is it’s all about unconditional love. When the spirit guides come close, they literally, they never judge, they don’t berate. They accept and understand and love us because they can see where we’re coming from at our level of knowledge. It’s a bit like selling a 2-year-old because they’ve done something through innocent ignorance that they’ve now collected a whole load of bad karma because they’ve just made a choice that wasn’t in their benefit or everybody else’s. Karma doesn’t work that way from what I’ve been told. So there’s a quote here that I quote in the book, so excuse me, I’m just going to quote it because I don’t want to get it wrong, which was Isaac Newton who stated, for every action there’s an equal and opposing reaction. Just wanted to make sure I got that right. So the way that karma works really is that it is duality. So I write in the book, how can we judge if you have a, for instance, that boss you’re talking about who is a tyrant, and totally egotistical and created a hellish experience for you in work, not your confidence. I know
Jim:
You know her!
Claire Broad:
Yes, I’ve met her.
Jim: By the way, if she’s listening, thank you. Because through that experience I think it kinda changed my whole life path and put me down the path to doing this full time. So thank you, Former Bad Boss.
Claire Broad:
There you are, and that’s where I was just neatly coming around to. How then do you judge that relationship in your life, that soul connection in your life, as negative if from it you had such elevated growth, it took you onto something that you love and are even better at? The idea of karma then becomes twofold. That was a horrible experience, but my soul growth from it was incredible. Had I sat in my comfort zone, I would’ve maybe never even done this. So karma’s very complicated. We can’t say, well you behaved like that, so you got it coming to you. We don’t know whether that boss came into this world to learn from you based on their actions or you came to learn from them vice versa. So really karma, once you understand that it’s got an equal and opposing force and you can start to look for the dark and the light in it, like you’re saying, we don’t normally focus and say, well it must been so good because I’ve just won the lottery.
I write in Heaven Sent, we can take the wind out of the sails of karma. It becomes neutral. Yes, everything has an equal and opposing force. So I’m not going to judge somebody else because I don’t know their actions, their soul path journey and what it is that they’re here. And I’m not saying people don’t do evil deeds, they absolutely do and there is evil in this world, but that’s their karma. That is their actions. They will have an equal opposing action coming to them. So for what they’ve perpetrated, they’re going to attract at some point the same back, but it becomes very difficult to judge that. So all you can do is work on yourself. I write in Heaven Sent, the one question I think you need to ask yourself, that we could all ask ourselves, is have I embodied the love that I am enough? And if we focus on that, and that means unconditional love of yourself as much as unconditional love of others, it’s why we’re here and it’s something that, well, we wouldn’t be here if we mastered it. So none of us are gurus and masters. There would be no need to be in the physical world if we’d really grasped this and embodied it.
Jim:
In the book you also talk about soulmates and twin flames and you’ve talked about that some, but I mean that’s such an area of interest for people. Would you dig just a little bit deeper on that topic because that’s fascinating to think that perhaps life after life after life we kind of co-journey with that special soul.
Claire Broad:
Yeah, okay. Well there is so much, can I say the word? Well, I’m going to say rubbish.
Jim:
You can say that; people have said worse,
Claire Broad:
I’m keeping it clean. There is so much rubbish out there about twin flames. First of all, I can say that from firsthand experience because I had an experience where I met my twin soul and I can tell you if you’ve met your twin soul, you’ve got to buckle up. This is not an easy journey and the relationship is not easy to master. I’ll talk about that in two seconds. But the soulmate life partner dynamic also gets very confused. So I’ve tried to set the record straight in Heaven Sent because if you’ve met your twin soul, lemme tell you it’s no walk in the park and it’s been over romanticized and there’s so much rubbish out there, and if you’ve met your life partner or your soulmate, your romantic soulmate, then you may well be also confused there as to, I meet so many people that have met their life partners, which is such a beautiful dynamic.
But because it’s not behaving like a romantic soulmate, they’re quick to judge it and think that they haven’t got the best love that they could in this lifetime. We’re all looking for more, we’re all looking outside of ourselves for more, so life partners and romantic soulmates compliment each other. The life partner dynamic tends to be very, you are very independent of one another, so you come together as your own very individual people. You tend to be able to live your individual lives and interests, but in total harmony with each other. Quite often life partners come together. They don’t quite know what they see in the other one even, but they find themselves in love and through challenge and through opposites attract the life partner literally turns into a romantic bond that lasts a lifetime. Even if there’s a divorce, those souls tend to stay together.
They might parent children and they’re in each other’s orbit. Romantic soulmates, they meet, they recognize each other straight away. They totally blend as one. They’re the embodiment of one soul on the earth, but they’re two separate soul frequencies, soul energies, soul identities in their own right, but they come together and blend as one. They tend to work together, live together, eat together, sleep together. They are quite often romantic soulmates pass over into the spirit world at a similar time or not too far apart because they literally don’t want to be here without each other, but for some people that would be stifling. So the life partner dynamic is beautiful. We don’t celebrate it enough because we see in Hollywood the romantic soulmate stories or the Romeo and Juliet type stories of tragedy and love, but there’s the good old partner that’s there with youthrough thick and thin doing all the suffering with you and the ups and downs and everything and giving you space to grow and learn and have your careers.
And lots of people are like, oh, we don’t act like romantic soulmates and everybody puts up on a pedestal romantic soulmates when the romantic soulmate also may have problems with codependency, losing identity. There is an equal and opposing force in every relationship. Now the twin soul or twin flame is something entirely different. That’s to do with the way that the universe seems to form. However, everything in physical form or in spiritual form even comes about. Twin soul is where the soul actually divides into two separate entities in order to even exist in the world or universe of dualities. So your twin soul is not about romance and it’s been so over romanticized and so much rubbish out there about it, but when you meet your twin soul, you better hang on tight because that’s when you’re going to really understand the reality of your own soul.
There is nothing more. I’m fascinated by it because when it happened to me, it was the most paranormal experience I’ve ever had, and that’s coming from a medium who has seen objects move, heard deceased people talking physically in the room, seen apparitions, seen the penny roll at me, done readings, been to haunted locations. It was nothing compared to coming face to face with a human body, a person, who embodies my own soul energy. There was kundalini awakening, there were flashbacks of past lives. There was this sense of absolute divine blissful love that you would think of Christ consciousness or pure consciousness where I, but it wasn’t for your twin, it was you recognizing I’m that I came from that, and a whole host of other crazy, and I can only speak from my own personal experience, but the two of us were like, what is happening?
It froze everything. Everything that you could possibly imagine that you thought you understood, into disarray. It’s about a spiritual awakening. If you meet twin soul, it’s going to awaken you spiritually and challenge you to the degree. Because what I learned, my massive takeaway was I had loved conditionally even my children, that really hurt me to realize that I’d place conditions on the people that I loved unconditionally, hence why I could write Heaven Sent. Because until I’d had this experience, I did not understand it. So it’s about the twin soul is about literally meeting and embodying the divine within yourself. It’s about mastering and I haven’t done this yet by the way. I’m still on the journey, but it’s about mastering unconditional love within yourself and then embodying it in the world out there with others, all others. The twin soul shows you that you’re connected to all other souls that we’re all one. I’ve scooted through that very quickly because I could talk an hour on twin flames. There is so much to talk about the push pull of energy, the magnetism, the paranormal experiences, the synchronicities. I mean it’s just from, I think it’s fascinating because it’s another way to understand the eternal nature of us if it was scientifically studied. I think
Jim:
Now as we close out here, there’s all this wisdom on the other side. Let’s say somebody who doesn’t particularly think of themselves as psychic and so forth, how can we tap into that? Now of course there’s readings with mediums such as yourself. Do we need a medium to tap into that? Do we only need a medium at times? Kind of like I think about healthcare for example. You don’t go to the doctor every time you put on a bandage, but there’s certain times you need to go to a doctor. In a spiritual sense, is this something that you can do self-care and get insight yourself and then on occasion when you feel it’s appropriate, if you need a little extra insight or maybe another perspective, go to a medium. Is that kind of a right way to think about it? And if so, how do we do that self-care part of it?
Claire Broad:
I love that all of my work, but particularly from here on in because I’ve moved into the soul healing, soul guidance stuff, is to help people understand who they really are so that they tap into themselves their soul consciousness. We will always benefit from seeing practitioners because somebody outside of ourselves, and this is what I write about here in Heaven Sent is soul’s mirror back to us who we’re so the medium really, the purpose of a medium, and I’d love to think I’d be redundant one day, is to show the potential or give an experience that helps you understand your own eternal nature a bit more and gives you trust. They’re not somebody that you need to go back to all the time, but can you benefit from them? Of course you can because if they can give you some information that helps you have trust in your own eternal nature, fantastic.
However, ultimately all of us are on a journey to discover who we really are. And so we can all do this. I say this to all of my clients, everybody is clairsentient. If you walk into a room where two people have had an argument and they may be being very courteous to you, but you feel the energy underneath and it hits you, we’re all that already. We’re just not consciously aware of it. We can all use our imagination to do a visualization, to do a meditation that’s clairvoyance. We have clairaudience all the time. We hear songs play out in our head. We can all do this. It’s just that it takes a certain dedication and practice because it’s a spiritual practice and most people don’t put in that time and with mediums I just think genetically they’re perhaps more predisposed or they’re geared towards being able to do this line of thing as well, which makes it a little easier.
But I would hope with everything I’m doing that I’m educating people, putting them in touch with what the practices they can do. And it’s simple things like meditation, like there’s all sorts of ways of learning with music, with color, with flowers, with just opening up the creative centers in the brain and expanding your intuition, having fun, maybe guess who’s on the phone before you answer or look at it. Those kinds of things we can play. It can be playful psychic ability and anyway, psychic ability and mediumship are two different things. We’re all psychic and science has pretty much proven that. Now the question is does consciousness survive physical death? That’s the next bit. So all of us are psychic. We’ve all had psychic hits. Can you expand your mind out, invite your loved ones to come close and fill them? You absolutely can. Are you going to question in your mind though, did I just make that up? Was it something I wanted? And are you going to doubt it? Yes. And it’s when the medium comes in and gives you an outside experience that then allows you to then trust your own connection more and that’s where the two compliment.
Jim:
Yeah, and I’ve had that experience where I thought I was kind of, I didn’t audibly hear, but in my mind I heard something from my mom and it was just in the manner she would speak when I was thinking about something pertaining to my life and I said, ah, you’re just imagining that. And it’s like, well, no, I think that was her saying that and that self-doubt. Even doing these shows for so many years and talking to so many people like yourself, even people who are in this, I think to some extent, and I’m not as deeply into it as others such as yourself, but you still have self-doubt. I think that’s part of the picture.
Claire Broad:
Of course you do, always. I’ve been always very open about the fact that I had to look into all of the science myself because I doubted, I doubted, I questioned my own sanity, my own mind. I doubted the validity of it all because I was running the same cultural program that we all are, where we’ve been told that there’s no such thing or that you’re deluding yourself. I was questioning my own firsthand experience for years and years, which is really, it’s just ridiculous when I look at how many experiences I’ve had that now go beyond the balance of probability and many times have gone beyond reasonable doubt, and that’s where I have to look at it now, but we need to still have critical thinking. That’s an important part of it. It’s not about just accepting everything you get. However, can you imagine a day, Jim, where we do understand that consciousness is part of a field of, I dunno, energy out there in the universe that doesn’t die.
You wouldn’t question so much that you had heard your mum. I had the same experience. I heard my nan speaking to me in a similar way, and it was only a medium validating it to me that I thought, oh, it definitely was her. I didn’t just wishfully think that myself and many times just to finish that. But many times, because I do a soul guidance readings, I’m connecting in with other people’s spirit guides. A lot of people come to me saying, I’ve sat in meditation, I’ve tried to fill my mom or my loved one near me or my spirit guides. I think I’ve seen something, but I’m not sure. But I’ve been able to describe either the loved one or the spirit guide separately as someone who doesn’t know anything about them and given them, oh, so I did see that I can now trust my own channel, my own connection, my own consciousness, my own soul at the end of the day.
Jim:
Well, it’s been a great discussion. The book is Heaven Sent: Soul Lessons from the Afterlife. Our guest has been Claire Broad. Claire, where can people find this book, your other books and everything you do?
Claire Broad:
Oh, thank you. Yes. So it’s on Amazon, it’s in all good books, stores Heaven Sent, and as with all the other books, you can find those too on Amazon or visit me at my website www.clairebroad.com or on my YouTube channel Together with Spirit. Oh!
Jim:
For the audio listeners, Claire’s headphones kind of flipped up spontaneously for a minute there.
Claire Broad:
Got all over animated.
Jim:
There you go. But great job and really appreciate, Always great to speak with Claire Broad. The book is Heaven Sent: Soul Lessons from the Afterlife. Claire, thanks again for your time today.
Claire Broad:
Thank you so much. It’s always a pleasure.
Jim:
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Jim:
I’m very excited about our interview today. Melissa Tittl, an investigative journalist and filmmaker, very accomplished, is joining us and she’s joining us to talk about a new documentary. It’s called Code 12,Code 12: There is a Way out of this Matrix. And to me when you’re talking about this question of are we in a simulation and so forth, I just find it so fascinating. So when I saw this come across, I said, this is an interview we need to do, and Melissa’s been on the show before and she’s extremely accomplished and was head of programming, I believe it was for Gaia at one point. I mean, she’s just a really, really powerful person and we’re so glad to speak with her today. Melissa, welcome back to the show.
Melissa Tittl:
Thank you so much for having me. I missed you.
Jim:
Well, we’ve missed you too. So I see on the website here, this documentary is described as the DaVinci code meets Indiana Jones. I’m assuming you’re Indiana Jones in this setting, Indiana and the setting of Inception, that’s quite a teaser. Tell us a little bit about how Code 12: There is a Way out of this Matrix came to be.
Melissa Tittl:
Well, it’s a long story, so I don’t want to bore you with all the details, but I’d say about 10 years ago when I was working, God, I think it was even longer than 10 years ago, I had to date myself a little bit. When I was working on the first five seasons of Ancient Aliens, I started to realize that there was patterns in things that weren’t necessarily what we were talking about, and they didn’t really have to do with aliens per se. There just happened to be a pattern in how the stories are told and some of the symbols, but I couldn’t put that together. But it reminded me of a dream I had a long time ago that repeated itself several times throughout my life, and it was a dream that it was kind of a haunting dream. Not that it was scary, but it just didn’t stop.
I just kept having it where I was in the center of these concentric circles and then it would light up these 12 points and then that was the end of the dream. When I started writing for Ancient Aliens and working on some of this stuff, I was seeing a lot of the symbolism and I thought, well, that’s weird. Either I’m tapping into something in the future that I’m supposed to be doing, like maybe Ancient Aliens and that’s it, or there’s something else. And so I would say throughout 10 years of working on this stuff, whether it be aliens, esoteric stuff, sacred geometry, ancient civilizations, I found myself wrapped up in something else that was going on at the same time. I felt like everybody was looking over here and there was something else going on that we weren’t quite seeing. And it wasn’t until recently I kind of put it together, and that is what the movie Code 12 is really about, that all of these people that have been studying all of these things that whether it’s the esoteric field of the ancient civilization field or even aliens, they’re all right, they’ve all discovered pieces of the puzzle, but there’s something else going on at the same time that I’m bringing people’s attention to
Jim:
Now. I very much resonate with what you said about patterns because the thing that fascinates me about ancient civilizations is you’ll see the same kind of stories in the oral tradition. For example, the flood “myth,” which I’m not sure is a myth because it occurs in so many different oral traditions of societies and so forth, whether it’s symbols that seem to be similar in some way, but these civilizations are far apart geographically at a time when we didn’t have worldwide travel necessarily, or very different maybe in the time that they occurred. So you kind of saw that similar thread. And Code 12 is really where you pick that up and start to try to figure out what that thread is, right?
Melissa Tittl:
There’s one theory that’s been around for a long time, the book’s pretty old, Hundredth Monkey Theory, which is really that the book describes a scientific study they did with monkeys that were living on an island off the coast of the mainland of Japan. And these monkeys started doing something very particular with sweet potatoes, and somehow the monkeys on the mainland picked up this same unique trait. And what was concluded from this study is there must be some kind of morphogenic field that connects the island monkeys and the mainland monkeys. And so that traverses itself into a human conversation of instead of boats going across the ocean, that perhaps all of us, all of our ancestors, were picking up something in the morphogenic field, that they were downloading these symbols. Okay, but why those symbols? And I think that there’s a lot of different ideas about it, but these symbols are everywhere and there’s a lot of different ideas of what they mean, but they seem to represent something that they never wanted us to forget.
And a lot of that is then explained in ancient text when it comes to an actual code. And we read these stories and we try to humanize them, but there’s a specific code in all of them. And it’s as if ancient people not only downloaded something from the field, but they wanted to make sure that we remembered it over and over again. And what that is, is something that’s beyond our state of existence right now. It was something, it was as if at one point they figured that out and they wanted to carve it in stone because all of those pieces are still existing and they’ve been transferred into texts that still exist. So there’s something there that they’re trying to point to us that is not necessarily when you say the way out, right, it’s good for a tagline. There’s a way out the matrix, but we’re not leaving. We’re not going to space or something and never coming back. It’s just living in another reality that’s existing right now at the same time, but we don’t see it because we’re trapped in this one.
Jim:
So it’s essentially hidden in plain sight. It’s right there. It’s right there. We just don’t know what it means until we watch code 12.
Melissa Tittl:
Until you watch Code 12. Exactly.
Jim:
Now, to that point, we want people to watch Code 12. We’re not going to give away the whole shebang here in this interview, but could you pick out maybe one symbol and give us a little glimpse of what the significance of one particular symbol might be?
Melissa Tittl:
Well, the circle is a simple structure, but it is also the structure of how creation, this is all in all texts. The circle with the dot in the middle is a form of creation. But one of the things that we get into with the circle is that a lot of the circles that you see have concentric circles in them. This is a form, and there’s many different observations of what the concentric circles mean. But in this documentary, we really talk about it being a frequency that the middle point of that circle is the zero point and the frequency is coming off of it, and it’s a resemblance of that. And we talk about that a lot, and it’s hard for me to break that down into this interview, but it transfers itself into thought. We talk about that, about how everything that you think becomes a frequency within the field that then multiplies into this other existence, but it’s also how everything can transfer in space and time. And then that’s where we get into the other shape that seems to find itself in lots of ancient cultures. And that is the dodecahedron, and that’s the 12 sacred geometry shape. And that in itself is unique because you find that structure with everything, whether it’s in your DNA, space time, quantum physics, and then also in ancient text and what that means, the nodes of the planet, how the universe is structured. So those are the two shapes that we really start to accentuate this pattern and how that traversed into language and a code.
Jim:
Now the question of a simulation, this is always interested me, because I have always wondered if the idea of a simulation is just kind of like a difference in terminology. Okay, so if you think of a simulation, let’s say, a simple computer game, not simple, if you’re programming it, I could barely do basic when I was in school, but way back when, dating myself. But it’s a game. It’s a world. You build a world and somebody programs it. Well, if we’re indeed a simulation, that to me means that there has to be a grand programmer or programmers. And boy, that sounds a whole lot like a divine creator or God. So in essence, if we were created by God or a divine creator, call them what you will. I mean, isn’t that almost essentially the same as a programmer? We just are talking about it in two different ways. I mean, does that play it all into the discussion in Code 12?
Melissa Tittl:
Yes, definitely. I mean, most recently, I’d say in the last five years, Nick Bostrom’s come on the scene, and he is an Oxford philosopher. He talks about the simulation theory a lot. One of his theories is that the simulation is an ancestor simulation, meaning that there’s some kind of Russian doll situation where a ancestor becomes so advanced that they then simulate a piece of their reality or themselves and create a simulated universe that they control. And then the purpose of that simulation is then to become so advanced that they do the same thing. Now, you’ve noticed also in the last five years, people like Elon Musk and lots of other quantum physicists have been talking about the probability of us living in a simulation actually being more real than we think because we are getting close, we are simulating things, we’re making video games that are almost indistinguishable from reality or VR games. So that becomes more of a reality, and the closer we get to that becoming our world, we are then becoming those ancestors in the simulation. I was just reading some, I mean, there’s tons of AI stuff going on right now.
Jim:
Sure, yeah. I’m following it closely.
Melissa Tittl:
Chat bot, Chat GPT, Yes, exactly. And for all sorts of things just to help you write a paper or to help you organize or to help me making movies easier or social comforting. Like you feel lonely, right? I just read the other day that some chatbot told a guy to kill the queen. I dunno if you read this.
Jim:
No, I didn’t hear that one. Wow.
Melissa Tittl:
Yeah, it just came out. He got arrested. He said that he was talking to this thing for 30 days and it said this was the best probability, this is the best thing he could do for his mental health or something.
Jim:
Oh my God.
Melissa Tittl:
And it was a mental health AI program for if you feel lonely,
Jim:
Oh my gosh.
Melissa Tittl:
Yeah. I’m getting a little bit away from Code 12 because we don’t necessarily get into AI in Code 12, but this is an important conversation about the ancestor simulation theory is that for an ancestor to create a simulation, for the simulation to follow an order, the ancestor or the programmer, as you said, must be a God, right? So if we have all these AI programs that we’re creating, we’re simulating reality, we then have to create a God complex within our simulation so that the simulated beings then follow order because of fear and belief. And that’s a huge concept to think about. And it’s not necessarily, I don’t get into the AI simulated being situation in Code 12, but I do propose that the reason religion and the idea of God becoming so prevalent in our understanding of our existence is that there needed to be some kind of order for us to follow suit into creating the matrix, to keep fulfilling the order of where we are and then what we believe. But the thing is, there’s something else out there. We have the human potential to be and to advance into something else beyond our stimulated structure.
Jim:
Now, there’s a phrase I think sometimes overused, but it actually is kind of apt, a glitch in the matrix. And a lot of times I do a lot of shows on ghosts and a lot of shows where people talk about seeing their doppelganger or time slips, just kind of odd things. And sometimes I think even though, again, it’s trite, it’s hackneyed, it’s overused, but a glitch in the matrix might be the best way to explain at least part of this. It’s like a glitch in a computer game. Sometimes there’s supposed to be a wall that you’re not supposed to walk through, but you’re able to walk through it. And everybody’s had those experiences while playing different video games. And sometimes I wonder, do those kinds of things give credence to the idea of a simulation because there is literally a glitch or something that goes wrong that causes us to see things that we’re not necessarily supposed to see? What are your thoughts on that?
Melissa Tittl:
Oh man. I totally agree. I mean, so one of the things I kept racking my head around, especially interviewing so many people that have had experiences with aliens and definitely ghosts and supernatural beings with ghosts, it’s basically like, are you in the wrong place at the wrong time? It feels like, are you in the wrong house? Are you having poltergeist activity, right? With aliens it’s this kind of supernatural phenomenon where it doesn’t matter where you are, it’s either attracted to you or it comes to you, or you are in some kind of hotspot. There’s abduction cases, and I remember the whole thing that people, when they want to talk to you about it, they want an answer. Why is this happening? Why is it me? What do they want? And just never could get an answer for that unless we live in some kind of simulation. With the ghost conversation, the glitch makes sense. Why are there certain areas where you see ghosts versus others? It’s almost like there’s one part of the video game, like you said, that’s not quite connected. So things walk through, like the other time periods are coming through at the same time. And then for the aliens, if we are simulated, then the experience of aliens must be part of our simulation. And why that’s happening is to create two things, I think one, the constant curiosity for what lies beyond our existence, so that we can become advanced and two, almost in a state of fear to keep us feeling small in our system. And I think that overall that’s a good thing because we need to get out, we need to find a way to advance ourselves and our human potential. I don’t think that these God-like structures of the ancient times, the gods and goddesses or even aliens are more powerful than us, that we just think that we aren’t because we haven’t figured out how the universe works. And I think our goal as humans in this lifetime and in whatever structure we’re in, is to figure that out so that we are not stuck in a situation where things can come through. And we don’t know why
Jim:
You got a word of caution from a computer programmer, and I thought that was really interesting. Can you tell us just a little bit about that?
Melissa Tittl:
Yeah, I mean, he was pretty cut and dry. We went through all sorts of computer programs and that most of the world is on a base 10 system, a financial system, a decimal system. The way we calculate things is mostly on a base 10 system. A base 12 system is more efficient. And it’s that way in coding as well because it propagates itself evenly and is a faster existence for it to populate. Right? I’m using non programmer words, but.
Jim:
That’s good because I’m a non programmer. My daughter’s studying computer science, but not me.
Melissa Tittl:
Oh gosh. She should be on here. Replace my words. I’m not a programmer, but you understand what I’m saying. We went through all sorts of programs, but 12 is good because it’s an even way to propagate itself. And that’s how in quantum physics too, a dodecahedron type shape is an easy way to traverse space and time because it populates itself evenly. Whole other tangent. So he said, look, if we’re are in a simulation, you’re asking the wrong question. Because the thing is, if a simulation doesn’t want you to know it’s in a simulation and you’re asking that question, it can erase your simulation. And that definitely, oh wow.
Jim:
But then you could be erased.
Melissa Tittl:
Well, how did I get this far? Unless they want us to know that what we’re simulated
Jim:
That’s a good point
Melissa Tittl:
Because it would’ve never made it on Amazon.
Jim:
So no spoilers of course, but you really kind of locked in on two, not one, but two different codes, right?
Melissa Tittl:
And that gets into the base 10 and the base 12 system. So a lot of mainstream cultures have recordings of using a base 12 system to count to understand how the universe works basically. And then at some point that changed to a Base 10 system, which we still live today. So the question is why, and we talk about that a lot like this kind of changing over the guard, this creating, we talk about this a little bit in the documentary. We talk about Thoth and the emerald tablets and how he created the, he created the great pyramid to kind of emit some kind of frequency. So is this the beginning of creating a new morphogenic field where all of our thoughts and consciousness then gets put into this bubble of thought and we just don’t leave it.
Jim:
I think anytime somebody does a project of this scope, it has to change them in some way or surprise them in some way. How has it changed you?
Melissa Tittl:
That’s a really good question. I think at first I was really excited. I’m like, oh, this finally makes sense to me. And then I got a little scared. What if I’m crazy? What if someone else thinks I’m crazy? But it felt really good. It felt to me that it’s something everybody knows deep down inside and that I’m only representing a mirror for them. And when I started to look at it that way, I started to feel that it wasn’t me who came up with it, it’s just me who’s asking people to remember how they know that the universe works. And instead of me, it took it from excitement to fear to it’s okay, it’s okay. It’s almost like just a really neutral spot of I’ve just come to this place that I’m still human. I go through the same things that everybody else does and my problems are not over because I’ve figured out this code. But it’s so – it’s become a place for me to get back to, okay, wait, let’s get back. Let’s get back to the center. Let’s get back to that place that I understand how this works. And when I can do that, I am at peace. And I feel like that’s where I’m at right now. Yeah, I don’t know.
Jim:
I’m assuming that when you investigate, I’m sure you’re going to investigate many other kind of anomalous things as the years go on. Will this be kind of the lens you look through now?
Melissa Tittl:
A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Because you know what I love about it? It’s not that I’m right and other people are wrong, and I feel like that’s a lot of this space that it’s like somebody discovers something and they’re right and everybody else is wrong. And I don’t think that way at all. I feel that everybody is working to the same goal and this is my contribution and everything that I do going forward will have this view, this bigger view of how it’s all connected, whether it’s an alien story, paranormal, ancient civilizations, esoteric knowledge. I think that this lens for me offers more evidence that we are more powerful than we think we are.
Jim:
Now. When you look at somebody like Erich von Daniken, Chariot of the Gods, I think 68 or something like that. But he kind of set forth a way of thinking that continues to be very strong to this day. So I guess my point is that van Daniken set something off, whether you agree with him or disagree with him that many people are adherent to and use that to kind of frame their worldview. Do you think that the theories that come out of this project could have that? Or do you hope for these kind of theories to have that kind of impact?
Melissa Tittl:
I hope so. I hope that it contributes to a new zeitgeist because I think we’ve been kind of spinning around the same corral for a long time and it’s time to broaden that look. And this is what I hope Code 12 can do. We can start to look at it from another lens. We can move the zeitgeist slightly because we’re at a different age now. And Erich von Daniken and his contribution to that zeitgeist was huge, was massive to start to connect all these ancient sites to something otherworldly amazing. So let’s take it one step further. We got that story. Let’s get to the second novel in the trilogy, right? That’s what I feel like Code 12 is. I have no idea what the third book is, but Code 12 might be the second.
Jim:
So the important question now, I think people who have listened thus far are going to say, okay, where can I see it? So Melissa Tittl, where can I see it?
Melissa Tittl:
Amazon Prime. Amazon Prime. You can rent it tonight. You can own it. It’s available, it’s on, it’s ready. So it’s an hour and a half, won’t take too much of your time. And what I really want to do, and I left a little bit of a cliffhanger, so I’m sorry if some of you’re upset about that. I want to do a whole series because it’s so complicated. It just needs a series. It just needs each of these subjects when you watch them like its own deep dive. And that’s what I’m shooting for.
Jim:
Well, excellent. And people can also go to Code12themovie.com, code one two the movie got com, and pick this up on Amazon Prime. It’s a very exciting project. And the cryptography and codes and the matrix and ancient symbols, if you’re listening to this show, it seems like a natural watch. Melissa Tittl, thank you so much for joining us today to talk about Code 12: there is a way out of this matrix.
Melissa Tittl:
Thank you so much.
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