Jacques Vallée joins us for a wide-ranging conversation about where UFO and UAP research stands today, and why he believes the subject demands far more than simple answers about visitors from another planet. We talk about his new book, Forbidden Science 7: Final Report, the growing willingness of scientists and universities to take the phenomenon seriously, and the challenge of studying something that may be intelligent, responsive, and far more complex than the ET model suggests.

We also dig into government secrecy, the limits of congressional hearings, the complications surrounding classified information, and why Dr. Vallée believes science may need new ways of thinking to properly approach the mystery. Along the way, he reflects on consciousness, human perception, the limits of our own intelligence, and the value of studying older cases instead of chasing every new light in the sky. After nearly seven decades of research, Dr. Vallée says one of the most important things in investigating UAPs is learning how to ask the right questions.

You can find Dr. Vallée’s most recent book, Forbidden Science 7: Final Report at Amazon: ⁠https://amzn.to/4zE4T6K⁠

Thanks Dr. Vallée!

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