Bigfoot in Texas? Our guest, Lyle Blackburn, says the answer is yes!

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LYLE BLACKBURN: The state is huge and actually has a lot of forestry, especially in the eastern portion known as the Pineywoods. There’s thickets and swampy areas. The coastal area pushes south and goes towards Louisiana. So that is a place where you would think you could naturally see one of these creatures.

JIM HAROLD: That’s author and cryptozoologist Lyle Blackburn on Texas Bigfoot – up next on the Paranormal Podcast.

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This is the Paranormal Podcast with Jim Harold.

JIM HAROLD: Welcome to the Paranormal Podcast. I am Jim Harold, and so glad to be with you once again. One of the questions that keeps coming up: Is Bigfoot real? Time after time, people want to know, and I think that our guest probably has a better perspective on that question than almost anybody on the planet, and he has a new book out as well.

I’m talking about the book Texas Bigfoot: History, Legends, and Modern Encounters in the Lone Star State. Our guest today is the great Lyle Blackburn. He is a native Texan, known for his work in writing music and film. He’s the author of several acclaimed books, including The Beast of Boggy Creek and Sinister Swamps, and also the founder of the rock band Ghoultown. He’s the narrator and producer of documentary films such as The Mothman of Point Pleasant and Boggy Creek Monster. He’s a frequent guest on radio programs such as Coast to Coast AM and he’s been featured on many, many major television shows on all the big cable networks.

When he isn’t writing books, hunting monsters, or performing with his band, he can be found speaking at various cryptozoological conferences and horror conventions around the United States. Just look for the trademark black cowboy hat. We’re so glad to have Lyle Blackburn with us – and I will someday learn to pronounce “cryptozoology.” Lyle, welcome to the show.

LYLE BLACKBURN: Thanks for having me. Yes, that word is a mouthful, is it not?

JIM HAROLD: [laughs] Well, when you have somebody like you who has a great bio and you’ve done so many things – and it’s all real; there’s no fluff there, that’s all meat on the bone – you’re getting through it and you’re like, can I get through it without flubbing? Right at the end. Always right at the end. Anyway, enough of that. So good to talk to you.

We’re talking about this new book, Texas Bigfoot. Now, I know when I think of Bigfoot, the first thing that comes to my mind is the Pacific Northwest. I don’t really think about Texas. Talk to us about Texas and why it is worthy of a book called Texas Bigfoot.

LYLE BLACKBURN: I think definitely people who maybe haven’t been to Texas, and even Texans themselves, generally think of Texas in that stereotypical way, like a John Wayne cowboy movie type landscape, ranches and wide open spaces. Certainly the state has those areas, but the state is huge and actually has a lot of forestry, especially in the eastern portion known as the Pineywoods. There’s thickets and swampy areas. The coastal area pushes south and goes towards Louisiana. So that is a place where you would think you could naturally see one of these creatures.

Sightings in this state – it actually ranks very high in number of sightings that have been logged here. It’s one of those places where there’s a long history of sightings of Bigfoot-like creatures, often called by local colloquial names and other things, not necessarily Bigfoot. But it all amounts to people seeing these upright, bipedal Bigfoot-like creatures in the state. Being a native Texan and having always been into this subject, it’s one of those where finally I had gathered up all the old newspaper articles and interviewed people myself and come across what I considered the most dynamic of the Texas reports, and I thought, I seem to be qualified to write this book, and it should be written. So I finally sat down and put it together.

JIM HAROLD: I think it’s great when you have a subject like this that has been written on so much, and then you find a new way to approach it. I think that’s fantastic. And who better a person to write it than one of the foremost cryptozoological experts out there, who happens to be from Texas? It seems to be a marriage made in heaven.

Now, in terms of the reports, how far back are we talking?

LYLE BLACKBURN: Aside from some of the Native American tribes who mention hairy, giant creatures or forest people, which we may presume could’ve been Bigfoot, obviously, the first reports on record date back to 1837. Those were some newspaper reports out of an eastern portion of Texas in the Pineywoods, a story known as the “Wild Woman of the Navidad” in the Navidad River. Back then, people in that area began seeing some sort of upright hair-covered creatures wandering in and out of the woods. They found footprints and tracks, and over the years were puzzled at what these things were. Feral humans or just what they were. And of course, in 1837 there was no concept of Bigfoot or Sasquatch or anything like that, especially in Texas, so they were just described as mysterious beings.

In true Texas fashion, of course, some hunting parties went out and actually tried to capture one of these creatures, but it was simply too fast and would escape into the woods and eventually faded off or moved on or whatever happened. But this would’ve been the first time, dating back to the early 1800s, and following that, other reports going forward. So that’s a pretty long time ago.

JIM HAROLD: When we talk about Texas Bigfoot in terms of its physicality, is it consistent with other reports around the country and around the world? Or is Texas Bigfoot different?

LYLE BLACKBURN: Well, they say everything’s bigger in Texas. Of course we would like to think that the Bigfoots here are the biggest of all. But in reality, the descriptions pretty much match those that you would find anywhere else across North America, although sometimes, like I’ve seen in other Southern Bigfoot reports, people will say they drop to all fours occasionally and are able to run like that and then stand up, walk bipedal. Some of them seem to be a little more hairy, scary, even more aggressive.

But I think it doesn’t show that Texas has anything that’s certainly unique. It just falls into that category of these Bigfoot-like creatures, and especially Southern-type Bigfoot that we would see even in the neighboring states.

JIM HAROLD: Taking a step back here about Bigfoot in general – and we talked about this on my Halloween Party – for me, when it comes to Bigfoot, it depends on the day you ask me. When I’m open-minded Jim and laidback and easygoing, I say, “Well yeah, there’s such a thing as Bigfoot.” And I do believe there’s some very credible people who report these things.

And then you’ve got something like the Patterson–Gimlin film. At first when I used to remember growing up and seeing it on In Search Of… or those movies that used to come out, I was like, “Eh, I don’t know, that could be a guy in a costume.” But now that it’s been stabilized and you see that muscle tone, it’s so impressive. It’s like, wait a minute, that’s not a dude in a costume, especially in 1967, because they didn’t have that technology to do that kind of costuming, let alone two men in the wilderness.

I just saw your picture on social media, by the way. I think it was you with Bob Gimli, and that was so cool.

But my point is, that’s Jim on a good day. Jim on a cranky day says they never found a body, they never found DNA. I know all the excuses why that wouldn’t happen, but still, shouldn’t we have found something? So where do you fall on that continuum? Are you a true believer? Are you open-minded? Are you skeptical? Where do you fall?

LYLE BLACKBURN: I’m definitely with you on that on the fence, back and forth, because it’s often frustrating with this research. I’m certainly open-minded and I certainly lean toward these things are out there in some form or fashion.

I’ve had what I would say is a probable sighting and other experiences that lead me to believe personally that there was something there. Of course, having interviewed people, hundreds of people at this point, who’ve had dynamic and fairly clear sightings, not to mention everything else, I certainly think that there is no way you can just dismiss this whole thing as mass hallucination or wishful thinking or mistakes or whatever. There’s just simply something to it.

The question is, what is it that people are seeing? There’s a lot of theories for that, whether it’s simply a flesh and blood creature, an undiscovered ape that’s living in the woods in small populations, or something more in the supernatural or otherworldly realm. Of course, talking about the Patterson–Gimlin film, a film that we still can’t really quite disprove – it can’t be proven and it can’t be disproven, but it leans toward the fact that they captured something. That’s 55 years ago, so the fact that we haven’t come up with anything better or an actual specimen since then naturally leads to theories and people to become frustrated or think, “Well, maybe it’s nothing.” But I do think definitely there’s something to the Bigfoot phenomenon.

JIM HAROLD: Well, we have one of the best people in the field on the line. I am talking about Lyle Blackburn, and we’ll be back after this on the Paranormal Podcast.

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JIM HAROLD: We’re back on the Paranormal Podcast. Our guest is Lyle Blackburn. We are talking about Bigfoot, specifically Texas Bigfoot today, and we’re so glad to have him with us, as always.

Lyle, I want to talk about the experiencers a little bit. You’ve interviewed many of them, whether in Texas or other places. What would you say about them? I mean, I’ve got to believe you might get a few clinkers in there and a few people that maybe tell some tall tales. But I bet you that for the most part, you get a lot of people who have a lot of credibility and seem very, very sincere. But I don’t want to put words in your mouth. What’s your experience with the experiencers?

LYLE BLACKBURN: Oh yes, absolutely. There is a good portion that are absolutely credible, who have had what I consider a clear enough sighting to rule out other fallible possibilities. Occasionally, you may meet somebody and interview them or even meet them in person, and through paths of life, you become friends or get to know them, and that’s even a stronger case because the longer you know somebody, the more you can judge their absolute truthfulness and credibility. There’s a handful of those – people in Texas I’ve interviewed, or in neighboring states, that even if you threw out 90% of everything else, there’s those anchor points with those very credible people that you just simply cannot explain. There’s certainly something that they saw.

That keeps me on the track, other than my own experiences. I think as I do this kind of research and in doing the investigative journalist part of it and interviewing people, certainly there are those that seem to be wanting attention or publicity or they’re overeager or they’ve had 85 sightings and it stretches the boundaries of believability. I just simply don’t include that. And you don’t really need to because there are plenty of good solid reports. You can discern those that you think best support the phenomenon and just pass on the stuff that seems a little too much.

JIM HAROLD: When you interview someone in person, you get that sense. You get that sense, “Yeah, this is a story I want to include. This is super credible, it checks all the boxes.” How do you apply that to historical sightings where you don’t have the benefit of being there on the ground? Maybe it’s something that happened 50, 100 years ago. How do you decide to include something like that? What are the criteria in those cases?

LYLE BLACKBURN: Certainly there’s all the other stuff that’s happened, and certainly in Texas there’s been some really amazing and wild and incredible cases that were reported in the newspapers in the ’60s and ’70s where it’s hard to find anybody to interview, if there even is anybody left that made a statement. You just have to include that as “here’s part of the history.” Whether they saw Bigfoot or not, it becomes part of that ongoing history of Bigfoot creatures in the state.

In the books, if I find it to be outlandish or – I just say it, call it as it is and say, “Well, this could’ve been; maybe not.” But it is a big part of the story and it gives it texture, obviously, and a basis for historical. And then that’s supported as you intertwine that with more modern encounters, whether it was my colleagues that interviewed them or whether it was me personally or however that is, where you can get a way better sense of that. In Texas, it’s such a huge state, I had to break it up geographically. So I could almost always find older reports, newspaper reports, and other things that would support the more current witnesses, and some that I interviewed personally. It always seemed to be, “Okay, how do you explain this? There’s been sightings there going back many years.”

JIM HAROLD: Do you find that certain areas have repeat sightings of Bigfoot where it seems to keep coming back? Does that seem to be a trend in Texas and elsewhere?

LYLE BLACKBURN: Oh, absolutely. You see those patterns of – again, you’ll have an area where you may’ve gotten a report from somebody and then I go in and look around, find old reports, newspapers, and lo and behold, you would see those patterns of certain areas having a lot of sightings.

Another is that most of the time along waterways, river corridors, creeks, even around lakes, those always tend to have clusters, and of course, forested areas. When you look at Texas and you’ve got that varied landscape from the western portion of the state being almost like desert – El Paso, very desert-like – and then you get in the central portion where it’s a little more like ranches and scattered forestry and mesquite and cross timbers, over to the heavily wooded Pineywoods of the east, perhaps not surprisingly, those Pineywoods have the most encounters. That’s the areas that, if you drove into them, you would say, “Wow, I might see a Bigfoot here.” That lines up with the logic of this and what would be required for a big creature to stay elusive.

JIM HAROLD: If you’re looking at true crime, sometimes you hear from FBI profilers; they build a profile of a possible criminal. If you were building a profile of Bigfoot, could you tell us a little bit and describe a little bit about Bigfoot? Who do you think they are? How do they live their lives? A little bit about their demeanor and habits. If they said, “We’re going to make Lyle the official Bigfoot profiler,” what would that profile be?

LYLE BLACKBURN: That’s a good thought. That’s how they solve some of those cases. In thinking of Bigfoot in those terms, this would be creatures who live in small populations. It would be small family units. It would be males who obviously walked distances and were somewhat solitary because we often have those sightings of a single male creature, presumably. They would have a fairly long lifespan. It would be above-average intelligence for other animals in the woods, if you will, because to remain elusive they have to be cognizant of staying out of sight. They could even be so much inclined to bury their dead or to pull their dead away so that no bodies are found. This would be a creature that has some knowledge of what’s around him, the landscape, and the wherewithal to stay within those areas to avoid humans as much as possible.

I think kind of like the original reports of a shy creature that remains in the woods, and for the most part, that’s what we have. But occasionally, yes, you could have that rogue that shows aggressive behaviors, maybe tries to get in the house or scares people. That sort of fits in with nature. Protecting territory or seeking food or other desperate measures matches up; I feel like it very much fits into the natural world because most of these things we think about could apply to other type animals.

JIM HAROLD: Do you feel that we have anything to fear from Bigfoot?

LYLE BLACKBURN: I personally don’t really think that we need to fear Bigfoot. I know, and I’ve even talked to people who’ve had some really scary encounters. But I think those are few and bar between, and in most cases the creature did not end up harming them, as scary as it may be. Of course, I can’t rule out – I didn’t interview the people who may’ve gotten dragged into the woods and killed, of course, so I don’t know.

But I grew up hunting, my father and my uncles hunt, and I spent so much time in the woods. I know so many outdoorsman. I think by and large, if you know what you’re doing and you’re safe, there’s not much to fear from nature. I can’t say that for humans, but I think for Bigfoot, we don’t really need to worry too much.

JIM HAROLD: So the question comes – and we’re going to get to it after the break – what is Bigfoot? What do you think Bigfoot is? It’s a big question, so we’re going to give you a minute to think about that and we’ll be back right after this on the Paranormal Podcast.

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JIM HAROLD: We’re back on the Paranormal Podcast. Our guest is Lyle Blackburn. We are talking about Bigfoot, but specifically Texas Bigfoot, and that’s the title of his new book. Before we leave today, we’re going to get one Texas Bigfoot story out of Lyle, hopefully. We’ll ask him about that.

But first, I posed the question to you before the break and gave you a couple minutes to think about it, but I’m sure you could’ve answered it immediately because you’ve spent years thinking about this subject: If Bigfoot truly exists – and if I heard you right before, you lean towards the side that it does exist – what do you think it is? Or is it one thing, or could it be multiple things? What do you think? 

LYLE BLACKBURN: I definitely come from the thinking that we were looking for some sort of flesh and blood creature. Early on, when I was young, that was the thinking. I pretty much stuck with that over the years, but it does become hard to explain how we absolutely have sightings, very credible sightings, encounters with these creatures, and we still have fleeting evidence of them and we certainly don’t have that type specimen that would be required for ultimate proof. Even the photos are still blurry.

I understand that theories come along to try to explain how that could be, and those get more radical, supernatural or otherworldly or what have you. I really don’t think that they’re extraterrestrial. They just seem so much to fit into our world, somewhere between us and great apes. They fit into the landscape, and the places they are seen make a lot of sense, along waterways and creeks and wooded areas. They’re not popping up in Walmart parking lots. Mostly. [laughs]

JIM HAROLD: [laughs] Walmart parking lots can be scary, though.

LYLE BLACKBURN: Right, I’m not discounting that, a sighting there. But you know what I mean. They seem to make sense, where the sightings are and how they align geographically, year after year. I’ve known hunters who’ve seen them in the woods. I’m just going by what people who have had a very clear sighting are giving me. I don’t have too much reason to think that they are not just some creature that exists in very small populations; they’re very reclusive and cognizant of staying away from us. That’s not impossible. It may seem improbable at this point, but it’s definitely not impossible. So I think we’re just looking for some amazing creature that, by luck or by design, we still haven’t been able to quite prove.

JIM HAROLD: What do you think would surprise most people about Bigfoot? They have their own stereotypes, and unfortunately, kind of like UFOs – I mean, people are accepting of ghosts, and up until recently UFOs have been a big joke. But Bigfoot seems to still be a punchline, kind of along the lines of Elvis in the ’70s. It just seems to be something people laugh at.

But what do you think would surprise people and may have them take this – I know people like us are into this, and people listening to this, but the general populace is like, “Oh, I saw Bigfoot, haha.” What do you think people should know that might make them take this a little more seriously if you’re talking to not the aficionadas, but just regular folks who don’t know much about Bigfoot other than it’s a punchline these days?

LYLE BLACKBURN: I think there’s a couple of aspects to that. The media often plays up the most ridiculous-sounding people that claim to see Bigfoot. They don’t put forward, usually, what I consider the best witnesses.

So first of all, it is not a certain stereotype of person or just yahoos who live in the woods that see Bigfoot. There are military people and doctors and biologists and a whole slew of what we would consider average and observant people who have had crazy encounters that have changed their life. You’ve got to realize that Bigfoot at this point is sort of an icon – I mean, it’s on lunchboxes and games and all this stuff over the years; certainly it does develop into a fun thing. But if somebody were to see these in real life, it could flip your whole way of seeing things.

And I think people just don’t realize that there are places out there that things can hide. Everyone’s got this mentality, “We’ve developed everything, everything has been explored.” That’s not true. If I were to take one of these skeptical guests and drop them into parts of the Pineywoods of East Texas, they would not be able to find their way out because there are miles and miles of hardwood habitat. They would quickly realize, “Wow, there could be anything out here.” It’s thick, it’s swampy, it’s rugged, and something could be 20 yards away and unless you just happen to see it, it would just be there and you wouldn’t know it.

So I think people have got to understand that if you’re in your cubicle at work talking about Bigfoot, it’s a different thing than if you were to go out into some of these places that have high Bigfoot activity.

JIM HAROLD: That is an excellent point. That’s one of the best points I’ve ever heard – how much undeveloped land and how much undeveloped territory there is for something like this to exist.

Now, you talked a little bit about the nature of Bigfoot, but you almost get the picture of maybe possibly a genteel creature that doesn’t want to be bothered. Of course, if it is bothered, it’s going to do what any kind of animal would do in some way and defend itself or whatever, but it seems like you get this idea that it’s kind of like the Greta Garbo of cryptids: “I vant to be left alone.” Is that a part of the picture too, that you think for the most part they want to be left alone? I know you mentioned about those aggressive reports and things, but in general do you think it’s like Garbo?

LYLE BLACKBURN: I think so. If they were so outgoing, it would be much harder to explain why we don’t have a good picture or one’s not been hit by a vehicle or something. Logic says that they’ve got to be just trying to stay out of the limelight, if you will. And if you’re interviewing most people, typically the sighting is very brief. I’ve interviewed a woman who saw one move across a road in a rural area in Texas at 10 a.m. on a clear morning and the thing wasn’t interested in chasing her or doing anything. It just was trying to get out of the way. It ran back into the woods. She had a clear sighting of this presumably Bigfoot-like creature, and it did not want to linger around too long.

And that’s most of the sightings. Road crossings or a hunter sees it briefly in a clearing as it moves into the trees. It just seems like they’re not really too social with humans, and I really don’t blame them for that. [laughs]

JIM HAROLD: As best you can tell – and by the way, you’re right; a lot of times humans are more frightening than any Bigfoot could ever be, some of the things that people do to each other and to nature. As far as you can tell – I know you mentioned a census in the book – how many reports have there been of Bigfoot that you’ve documented over the decades?

LYLE BLACKBURN: I haven’t really put a total tally on it, but I can say I’ve interviewed well over 100 people if not more. It just adds up. It’s sort of a constant. And certainly the totality – a lot of people will use the BFRO as if it’s an absolute database, and I can tell you on anything where I’ve intensely researched or written about or whatever and I may have consulted that to see what they have, that’s a small amount. It’s a good average and a representative of the number of reports, but probably for every one report there, there’s ten others that ever got reported, if not more.

So the numbers of reports are a lot higher than people would imagine if you’re just searching the internet. Of course, if you delve into say Texas Bigfoot book, I’m offering others that have never been published before that I fielded. As you gather together under that umbrella the newspapers, here’s some other guys that tracked all along, here’s some other wild stories, and here’s all the stuff people I’ve interviewed now are adding to the whole thing there, and scattering stuff among books from colleagues and other authors, and now on the TV shows – I mean, how many episodes of some of these Bigfoot shows are out there that have interviewed people? So it just keeps compiling. There’s infinite amounts of Bigfoot sightings.

JIM HAROLD: Now we come to the part where we ask you: Can you share one of your favorite Texas Bigfoot stories?

LYLE BLACKBURN: There’s a number of them in there that were compelling or chilling, and even some as I got into the western portions where you didn’t really think of it as Bigfoot country, but yet there would be these credible or wild and crazy stories.

For me, one of them – I don’t know, it just struck me right – was a witness I interviewed that I’d met several years ago, actually, and I just took the sighting. He was hunting in an area of Northeast Texas in the Sulphur River bottoms back in the 1960s, and he said it was an area that at the time, it wasn’t very heavily populated. It was a very good place to hunt. He would often find Native American artifacts, arrowheads and such, in the creeks down there.

One evening, he went out there and he wasn’t into it, he wasn’t feeling it. The woods were kind of still. So he got down from the tree stand and was walking along one of the creek beds, looking for some arrowheads. He said it was starting to get pretty dusky and a little foggy, and he was walking and got this overwhelming feeling that something was watching him or somebody was there.

He looked up, and standing not too far down the creek bed, 30 yards away or whatever, he could see this figure, which he first took to be a large person or another hunter. But as he studied it, he realized, this thing is some kind of a hairy, upright creature, ape-like looking creature, standing there just looking at him. He said as he began to digest this whole situation, he could feel the hair on the back of his neck stand up, and he said – and this is what really struck me – “I got the feeling that this thing was old or ancient.” He got a feeling that it was intelligent, and it just was eyeing him.

Of course, this could’ve been within a matter of a short time before he decided, “I don’t know what this is and I’m just going to get the heck out of here.” So he just took off running for his truck, hoping that whatever this thing was wasn’t going to chase him. Got to his truck and drove out of the area, and he did not see it again.

One thing about it was this was the 1960s; this is Texas. He had no concept of Bigfoot whatever. He had never heard of Bigfoot, had no idea. He said that he didn’t even know how to rationalize what the heck this thing was. He thought of it as a monster or something else. But of course, as the years went on, he became aware of first the Legend of Boggy Creek, which talked about sightings in this area, and then of course Bigfoot became what it was in the ’70s.

Yeah, very chilling, and this guy was very, very well-spoken and credible and had nothing to gai by this. He just simply shared the story knowing I was interested in this. Even the hair on the back of my neck stood up as he told me. [laughs]

JIM HAROLD: That’s got to be a heck of a feeling, especially not having that reference. That’s why some of those older stories are really interesting because they’re not tainted with the urban legend and the myth and the lore and the popular entertainment. They’re interesting. It’d be great if we could get to talk to some of those people. In that case, you got to talk to him, and that’s fantastic.

Another thing that’s fantastic, or another person who’s fantastic, is Lyle Blackburn. He is a cryptozoological genius, and he’s also the author of many books, including his latest, Texas Bigfoot: History, Legends, and Modern Encounters in the Lone Star State. Lyle, where can people find this book and everything else you do? Because I know it’s just one small aspect of everything you do.

LYLE BLACKBURN: Yes, and thank you so much for the compliment there. I feel distinguished. People can find more about me at my website, lyleblackburn.com. That’s got links to the various things – the books, my involvement in some of the documentary films. Of course, my books are also available on Amazon, so you can search me there. And I’m on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, all those places. If you just search “Lyle Blackburn,” you will run across me somewhere in the social media landscape.

JIM HAROLD: Excellent. Lyle Blackburn, I hope everybody checks out the book Texas Bigfoot: History, Legends, and Modern Encounters in the Lone Star State. Thank you for joining us today.

LYLE BLACKBURN: Absolutely. Thanks for having me.

JIM HAROLD: Thank you so much for joining us today on the Paranormal Podcast. I certainly appreciate it. Always great to catch up with Lyle. He’s so knowledgeable and such a great guy, and we really enjoyed spending some time with him.

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