You are psychic! That’s what our guest psychic/medium Char Margolis says. Char has decades of experience and shares how we can put our innate abilities to work in our lives.
You can find her new book on Amazon: You Are Psychic: 7 Steps to Discover Your Own Psychic Abilities
In part two, we talk Bigfoot and cryptids with Seth Breedlove of the wildly successful paranormal movie company, Small Town Monsters.
Find out more info on Monster Fest and all of Seth’s movies at smalltownmonsters.com
Thanks to Char & Seth!
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TRANSCRIPT
JIM HAROLD: You Are Psychic – yes, indeed – and Small Town Monsters, both on this edition of the Paranormal Podcast.
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This is the Paranormal Podcast with Jim Harold.
JIM HAROLD: Welcome to the Paranormal Podcast. I am Jim Harold, and so glad to be with you once again. We have a great show for you today. We’re going to start off with Char Margolis. She is a longtime psychic, and she has a new book out. It’s called You Are Psychic: 7 Steps to Discover Your Own Psychic Abilities. And then in Part 2, we’re going to talk with Seth Breedlove. He is the man behind – well, really now it’s become a paranormal movie studio in the middle of Ohio: Small Town Monsters. We’re going to talk about his films, his videos, his projects, and how being a paranormal filmmaker has maybe impacted his own beliefs. So we have a great show for you today, and I hope you enjoy it.
I have a question for you: Did you know you are psychic? Well, according to our guest today, Char Margolis, you are, and she has a new book out, just released, called You Are Psychic: 7 Steps to Discover Your Own Psychic Abilities. Char Margolis is an internationally acclaimed psychic intuitive medium who has been using her gifts to help people for more than 50 years. She’s the author of several books, including The Universe Is Calling You and the forthcoming You Are Psychic, and now that is here.
In 7 simple yet profound steps in You Are Psychic, Char helps readers discover and embrace their natural psychic abilities, connect with powerful positive energy, and protect their own energy at the same time.
Char Margolis, thank you for joining us today.
CHAR MARGOLIS: Jim, thank you so much for that lovely introduction. It’s so nice to meet you.
JIM HAROLD: Nice to meet you as well.
CHAR MARGOLIS: Thank you.
JIM HAROLD: Just a little bit about your personal history – you’ve been doing this for quite a while. Did you grow up psychic? Have you been psychic as long as you can remember?
CHAR MARGOLIS: Yeah, I can remember seeing spirits as a little girl, but especially when I turned eight years old. I woke up in the middle of the night. Our house had been broken into two weeks before that. I woke up and there was a man at the foot of my bed. It of course scared the living daylights out of me. I could see through him, and he was wearing rags, and he had a pouch, and he dipped his hand in the pouch and sprinkled all these gold lights on me. As they landed on me, they evaporated.
I threw the blankets over my head. I started pinching myself. The next morning I went, “Mommy, Mommy, the burglars were here again last night!” She goes, “What?” I said, “Yeah, they were in my room.” My closet had a crawlspace attic, and I thought they were hiding up there – which would be impossible. My mom was great. My parents were so amazing. She said, “No, honey, that was just the Sandman.” I said, “There’s a Sandman?”
I remembered an old song, “Mr. Sandman,” and I went, “Oh, I guess there is a Sandman.” So that’s what happened. But from that night on, I had to have someone stand in the room in my doorway or have the light on until I fell asleep at night because I kept feeling energies around me and not knowing what they were and thinking people were peeking in the windows. It really was crazy.
Both my sisters were out of the house by the time I was 11 because they’re 9 and 13 years older than I am. They got married very young. I went to summer camp so I wouldn’t be alone and I ended up running the camp when I was 18 years old. I went for years to summer camp so I wouldn’t be alone. I just knew there was an energy but didn’t understand it.
It wasn’t until I was in college and I was also doing community theater, and I met a woman who started talking about séances and a woman who had a dead Indian speak through her, and I went, “Really?” She said, “Do you want to go?” I went, “Yeah, I want to go,” because I’m always up for an adventure.
I went to these séances for years every Friday and Saturday night – which I don’t recommend doing séances unless you really know what you’re doing. But yeah, we did crazy things. The table would tip and it would go up on three legs. It would answer down once for no and twice for yes. The spirit that spoke through her told me that one day I would be a famous psychic. I hadn’t even done a reading then. Eventually, shortly after that, I did a reading for a woman and there was no way I could know anything about her, and I was so accurate with names and all this stuff.
At that moment, I had an epiphany and I thought, “Oh, this is what I’m supposed to do.” I always thought I was supposed to do something important in life. Well, I figured out that this is what I was supposed to do to help people. And I’ve been trying ever since.
JIM HAROLD: You say with the book You Are Psychic, the first chapter says you are already psychic. Let me ask you, is it kind of like this? Because this is the way that I’ve always envisioned it. Everybody has to some extent some psychic abilities, because we’ve all had hunches, we’ve said “Don’t go through that door, go through this one.” I think almost everybody’s had those kinds of experiences.
However, I think of it like basketball. I could take a basketball and I can throw it at a hoop, and I might even occasionally make a basket, but nobody’s ever going to mistake me for LeBron James or Steph Curry. [laughs] Is it kind of like that?
CHAR MARGOLIS: This is how I teach people. Remember the time in your life where you wanted something. Maybe it was a romance, maybe it was a business deal, maybe it was a friendship. You get a little gut feeling not to trust that person or that situation, but you start talking to them, and logically you have a connection, and you have things in common. You ignore that first little gut feeling that came in.
Then time proves that they weren’t trustworthy, and you suffer the consequences from it. Or maybe your gut feeling was, “Wow, this is a great opportunity. Let’s just do it and let’s go for it,” and then it proves to be your soulmate or your best business deal or whatever friendship that you have.
So remember a time when that happened to you, one of those two times. I always say that’s your first psychic experience. Remember it. Remember how you felt when you had that. Remember the feeling you had, the gut feeling.
The most important thing that I teach is for people to have – I call it the 4 Cs: the courage to do it, the confidence to go with it, commit yourself to focusing it, and conquering it by acting upon it. The hardest thing for people is to act upon it because they don’t trust it.
JIM HAROLD: Is it something that you can get better at? Again, I’m never going to be in the NBA, but might I be able to make myself a better and maybe even a good psychic?
CHAR MARGOLIS: Yes. Your psychic ability is like a muscle. The more you use it, the stronger it gets. If you sat practicing hoops every day for two hours a day, you would get better at sinking a ball in the net.
JIM HAROLD: Yes. Still wouldn’t make the NBA, but I would be better. And I’ve got a lot of room to improve on both things. [laughs] You talk about the “energy thumbprint.” What in the world is an energy thumbprint?
CHAR MARGOLIS: I believe that we all have our own unique energy that stays with us through our eternity. That identifies us, in our soul and our spirit. It’s unique to anyone us. What happens, I believe, is that we live a lifetime and we die. Let’s say you were a caveman and you hit your wife over the head and the kids went starving. You go to heaven and we meet our Maker when we get to the other side, and we judge ourselves in God’s eyes. We go, “Boy, I really screwed that up. I’d better go back and do it again.”
Then you’re reincarnated. Let’s say you’re a monk and you do all these wonderful things, but then you screw something up, so when you die you go, “You did better this time, but…” They recycle us. So first you’re a caveman, then you’re a monk, and then let’s say they recycle into a woman whose life mission was to raise her son, who ends up curing cancer or something.
The monk and the caveman and then the woman – let’s say the woman didn’t learn self-love. When she judged herself, she went, “Boy, I did everything, but I dedicated to my son and I never learned my life’s lesson,” because life is a school and we’re here to learn.
Each one of those people has a unique energy thumbprint, but they recycle you and your soul to bring out another person to learn the life’s lessons that we never learned. But you, who are Jim, will always be Jim, no matter how many centuries go on. You will always be you, but you will also be a part of other energies that you were recycled from.
I explain it like in a past life – have you ever heard of little kids who can sit down at three years old and play Chopin?
JIM HAROLD: Absolutely, yes.
CHAR MARGOLIS: I believe that they brought those gifts with them from another lifetime, and I also believe that I personally have been an intuitive or a psychic in other lifetimes. That’s why I was able to do it so vividly when this time came around. And there’s a familiarity. There’s people who are brilliant at art or music or any of the arts or sciences, and how do they know that at such a young age? Because there’s sometimes a memory that we bring with us.
JIM HAROLD: Right.
CHAR MARGOLIS: Did I answer your question about the energy thumbprint? People say, “If my grandfather died 25 years ago and my nephew is a reincarnation, how did that happen?” I go, “Your grandfather has his own unique energy thumbprint, his own personality, and that’s who he was and always will be.”
JIM HAROLD: We are talking with Char Margolis. Her new book is You Are Psychic, and we’ll be back right after this.
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JIM HAROLD: We’re back on the Paranormal Podcast. Our guest is Char Margolis, and we’re talking about her new book, You Are Psychic: 7 Steps to Discover Your Own Psychic Abilities. In terms of how to get better, how can you improve your psychic skills? What kind of things tactically can you do to become a better psychic?
CHAR MARGOLIS: First of all, you need to understand that thoughts create reality and thoughts are things. We live in a physical world and we live in an energetic world, and there’s good and evil in both. I always encourage people to say a prayer of protection. I teach people to put themselves in the white light of protection, and goodness and love and everything is in that white light. Then you put yourself inside an egg and close it up. The shell of the egg is a mirror, and you demand anything negative to go back to where it came from.
First of all, you stay protected. Second of all, you have to own your power. You have to have courage, confidence, commitment to conquer. You need to own it and you need to know that you can do this. You can’t even just believe you’re psychic; you have to know it, because in belief, there’s doubt.
Then you work at connecting. You remember those feelings you had when you didn’t listen to your intuition. There’s psychic at random and psychic on demand. Psychic at random is when you’re in your busiest part of your day and you have a feeling that you need to go home for some reason, or call your mother or call your child, or whatever. You just have this overwhelming feeling. You go and call them, and “I was trying to get a hold of you but my phone wasn’t working” or “I didn’t have reception” or whatever. You need to learn to listen to that. That’s psychic at random.
Psychic on demand is what I teach people when I do my intuition classes. I also do private sessions with people. I teach them to understand that they can feel the energy of someone else, and information will be fed into them. It’s like information that’s downloaded to you. When I get messages from people, it’s downloaded, like on a computer. It’s not a thought I think. It’s a thought given to me. It’s kind of like when you get a great idea and you go, “Wow, where did that come from?”
JIM HAROLD: Interesting. I’ve got to say, you did something psychic in that little series there that you probably don’t even know you did. I guess some could say it’s a coincidence, but –
CHAR MARGOLIS: Was it about your grandfather?
JIM HAROLD: No, it wasn’t about my grandfather. It was about my father. He’s 86. He’s still with us. Yesterday I could not get a hold of him for the life of me. He lives by himself. He turned his phone on Airplane Mode. He can’t send a text or take a picture, but he figured out how to turn Airplane Mode on his phone. I couldn’t reach him, he couldn’t reach me. He didn’t know why. I didn’t know what was going on. I ran over there panicked. You just basically came forth with that particular scenario. [laughs] I thought that was kind of neat.
CHAR MARGOLIS: The beautiful part about it is that there’s nothing more powerful in the world than love. You love your dad, you feel protective of your dad, and you followed through so you could find, thank God, that he’s okay.
JIM HAROLD: Right. I’m thankful he’s okay and I just thought that was really weird you used that example.
CHAR MARGOLIS: Can I ask you something?
JIM HAROLD: Yes.
CHAR MARGOLIS: Who’s the other James around you, or Jim?
JIM HAROLD: Oh gosh.
CHAR MARGOLIS: Are you the only one?
JIM HAROLD: My father is James Sr.
CHAR MARGOLIS: James. That’s why. Because as soon as you started talking about your dad, I heard the name Jim or James.
JIM HAROLD: There you go.
CHAR MARGOLIS: But I feel like he’s okay. Is he on a blood pressure medicine or some kind of medication?
JIM HAROLD: Yeah, he’s on medications. At 86…
CHAR MARGOLIS: I feel like he’s okay, though. I feel like he’s okay.
JIM HAROLD: Yeah, he hangs in there pretty well for his age. I always say I hope that I am doing as well as he is, should I make it to that age.
CHAR MARGOLIS: Touch wood. I’m sure you will.
JIM HAROLD: You have a chapter here about something – I have been doing these shows for 17 years. It’s not 50 years, but 17 years is a long time. We’ve covered almost every topic, and this next one is probably the most fascinating one to me because, selfishly, I’m fascinated by the idea of the afterlife. I think it’s the ultimate mystery. You did a chapter on near-death experiences. What do you have to say about NDEs?
CHAR MARGOLIS: First of all, they do exist. People have been proclaimed dead on an operating table and have come back to tell people stories. I have a couple good stories.
One, there was a woman being operated on – I don’t even think I told this in the book – and she was proclaimed dead on the operating table. Her ethereal body, which is her spirit body, floated up, looked at the light fixture, saw the tiny little numbers on the light fixture, the serial number, and came back. Then boom, they got her back living in her body, and she was able to convey the exact tiny little serial numbers when she came back. And she knew exactly who was pushing on her chest and she knew everything that was going on in the room, even though she was proclaimed dead for a couple minutes or a minute.
Then I was on Dr. Oz one time – I was on a few times – and there was a man who had a near-death experience who was an atheist, and I don’t think a really nice person. He had a near-death experience – I forgot how – and he went to a dark place. He saw demons. He was in horrible pain. He was screaming. For the first time in his life, he yelled for God, and Christ came to him, and Christ said, “I will fix you and send you back, but you need to live with love and compassion and kindness.” And they did, and he did. He came back to talk about it on the show.
JIM HAROLD: That sounds like Howard Storm. Was that Howard Storm?
CHAR MARGOLIS: No. I thought you were going to say Howard Stern. [laughs]
JIM HAROLD: No, not Howard Stern. Different guy.
CHAR MARGOLIS: I don’t know what the guy’s name was. I don’t remember. Could’ve been.
JIM HAROLD: This gentleman went back and he became religious and became a minister and all these things, and he told exactly the kind of story that you told. I interviewed him. He was a fascinating guy.
But the other example you used is a perfect example why I say the skeptics are wrong about NDEs. The skeptics say the near-death experience is the function of a dying brain and you’re releasing dopamine and these different chemicals to ease the dying process, and it’s all one big hallucination. But what I say is the example just like you gave with the light fixture and a serial number – also, I’ve talked to Dr. Bruce Goldberg, who wrote the book After, and he tells a story where somebody came back and told him about a spaghetti stain he had on his tie that they couldn’t possibly have known.
People see things that they could not possibly see when they’re floating above their body. That right there, to me, that’s proof.
CHAR MARGOLIS: Right. You’re always going to have skeptics, but the truth is that as long as you know in your heart what is truth and what is right, there’s nothing more powerful than love, and love is the bridge that connects us to the other side. The important thing is it’s fine for people to be skeptical, and people should be skeptical because you never know if there’s a con artist or somebody trying to take advantage of somebody. I’ve been blessed to be doing this for so many years that I did this way before Google was even a thing. But it’s good to be a bit of a doubter about this so you don’t get conned.
But the real proof will be when they cross over. When they die, or cross over, pass away, or whatever you call it – nobody’s getting out of here alive. So obviously, these people will have these experiences no matter what. I have no doubt that this is the truth and this is what happens, but I also believe that people go to different what I call neighborhoods, because you resonate with the energy that you are. If you’re a good, kind, loving person, you go to God’s place. I feel like there’s different dimensions. If you’re a dark, horrible person – Gandhi didn’t go to the same place Hitler went to. Or Mother Teresa.
We resonate energetically with who we are, and in our society now, there are so many dark things happening with school shootings and the war and so many crazy, dark things going on, but there’s also a lot of light in it. Life is a school and we’re here to learn. The test is, how kind can you be to somebody else, and can you share with other people? There’s a pandemic going on; were you respectful of other people’s health when your health maybe wasn’t so good? This is all a big test. This is a big, big test that everybody’s going through.
JIM HAROLD: Very interesting indeed. Something you talk about in the book is dreams. Dreams always fascinate me because to me, there’s two categories of dreams: one category is like the junk bin of your mind. You go to the grocery store; then that night, you have a dream you’re flying on a banana. [laughs] Maybe it is meaningful, but maybe not.
But then I have stories – for example, on my Campfire show that I’ve done for years, somebody called in and said when she was a little girl, she used to always dream of this one house that was in her neighborhood. She called it her “dollhouse.” It was this big Victorian house that was kind of rundown, but she always thought it looked like a dollhouse. Always asked her mom, “Mommy, Mommy, can I go play in the dollhouse?” She couldn’t figure out why her mom wouldn’t let her go play in this abandoned house.
Fast forward to she’s 18, 20 years old. She’s visiting home from college; she’s doing her laundry, and her mom says, “Oh, you know your dollhouse down the street?” She’s like, “Yeah, the one I used to love when I was a little girl and dreamed about?” And she did have dreams of this place; she loved it so much that she was flying through it and flying up and down the stairs and all through it, and she’d play in the house. “Yeah, that one. They’re going to tear that down next week.”
The young lady – Sophia was her name – said, “I’m going to go check it out before they tear it down. I’ve got to see this place.” Her mom’s like, “Don’t break in. Whatever you do, don’t break in.” She said, “I’m not going to break in.” She starts to walk over there and she notices that there’s a path that goes around the back to a white door. Matched perfectly with her dream. Looked all around, and everything looked the same. She said, “I’m going to take this a step further. I’m not going to break in, but I’m going to climb on the porch.”
She looked in the windows – same wallpaper, same floor, same staircase. Everything that she had dreamed in a house that she’d never physically been in.
CHAR MARGOLIS: Wow.
JIM HAROLD: Then I also constantly get stories of people who’ve been visited by loved ones in dreams, or people that have premonitions in dreams. I believe that dreams sometimes can be mental junk, but sometimes they can be very meaningful. What do you say about that?
CHAR MARGOLIS: The only time our spirit guides can really get to us sometimes, because we’re too busy during the day to listen, is through our dreams, when we’re quiet, when there’s a quiet energy going on. Some dreams are psychological and some dreams are psychic, and sometimes it’s the only time your loved one who’s crossed over can come in. Your mind is quiet enough for them to visit you and say, “Hi, I’m still here and I love you. I’m watching over you.”
JIM HAROLD: Yeah, I believe that. I just had a dream of my mother about a month ago, and I don’t think I’d ever had any other dreams of her since she passed in 2013. I believe that that was a visitation. It was very short, very brief. The thing that was striking was – I’m 53, and she was wearing a shirt that she wore when I was a little boy in the ’70s. It was a very specific shirt that I literally hadn’t probably thought about in 35 years. It was a tank top. It had a blue skipper’s wheel like you would have on a boat with stars around it. She used to wear that when I was a little boy.
All I remember about the dream was I saw her in that tank top, like you wear in the summer, and I said, “Oh my God, you’re really here! You’re really here! I can’t believe you’re really here!” Then we hugged, and that was the dream, or at least all I remember of it.
CHAR MARGOLIS: That’s a beautiful dream.
JIM HAROLD: Yeah. But I believe that was real. The fact that she was wearing that shirt, which is such a random thing, but it was meaningful to me. So I think she was showing me that shirt to say, “Yeah, it’s really me.”
CHAR MARGOLIS: Right, because it’s something you can identify with and it validated for you that “Yeah, that’s my mom. That’s what I remember.” That’s lovely that she connected with you, and more important, that you understood that and you acknowledged her. Imagine being a spirit trying to connect with your loved ones and being ignored.
JIM HAROLD: Yeah.
CHAR MARGOLIS: It’s beautiful. It’s wonderful. I feel she probably is somebody who watches over you and keeps an eye on you and takes care of you.
JIM HAROLD: Well, Char Margolis has been our guest, and we talked all about the fact that you are psychic. We probably hit some of the 7 steps to discover your psychic abilities, but we didn’t go –
CHAR MARGOLIS: I do teach this privately, and people can go to char.net for any further information. If you want to take a class, if you want to have a private session, I’m still doing readings. It’s the thing I love to do the most.
JIM HAROLD: And certainly when this is released, the book will be out. You are Psychic: 7 Steps to Discover Your Own Psychic Abilities. Char, where can they find the book?
CHAR MARGOLIS: You can get the book on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Target. The book’s in a lot of places. Please order it, and please learn from it and help yourself and your loved ones prevent problems and attain goals in your lives.
JIM HAROLD: It’s been a fun and fascinating discussion. Our guest has been Char Margolis. The book is You are Psychic: 7 Steps to Discover Your Own Psychic Abilities, sold wherever you can find books. Char, thank you so much. It’s been a pleasure. I can’t believe we’ve not had the opportunity to talk until now, but I’m so glad that we did, and I thank you for your time.
CHAR MARGOLIS: Thank you. I’m honored that you had me on. You’ve got such a lovely energy, and a pure, good soul, so thank you so much for sharing this time.
JIM HAROLD: Enjoyed getting to spend some time with Char and talk about being a psychic and the fact that she says you are psychic. We appreciate her time. After this break, we will talk with Seth Breedlove. He has that fantastic paranormal movie studio, smack dab in the middle of Ohio, Small Town Monsters. We’ll talk with Seth after this.
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JIM HAROLD: We have one of our favorite guests, and I’ve got to say, I admire what this man does. I’m talking about Seth Breedlove. He is the creator and the president and CEO and chief cook and bottlewasher over at Small Town Monsters. If you don’t know what Small Town Monsters is, it’s basically a full-blown paranormal movie studio in Ohio – all the brainchild of this man and something he has created, with the help of his team, of course, but just amazing. I believe his content is probably better than most of the things that you see from the major outlets about these spooky stories of all types. Seth, welcome back to the show today.
SETH BREEDLOVE: Thanks for having me, Jim. How you doing?
JIM HAROLD: I’m doing okay, and I thought I was busy, but I was looking – you’ve got American Werewolves now. You’ve got a movie on the Jersey Devil coming up in late September. And then you’ve got another one about Alaskan Bigfoot. That’s coming up. You’ve got Monster Fest next year, which I’m proud to be at. That’s going to be June of next year.
And then that doesn’t even get to your YouTube channel, where you’re absolutely prolific and you have all of these different series – On the Trail of Bigfoot, The Bigfoot Project, Small Town Monsters Presents. You’ve really turned it up to 11 since we talked last. Pretty busy times over there, isn’t it?
SETH BREEDLOVE: Yeah, at this point we’re creating probably triple, quadruple the content over on YouTube that we are on the films. But there’s two different teams. There’s technically three different teams at STM now. We have a YouTube-focused team that works on YouTube content, which I’m a part of that team. That’s myself and Eli Watson and Aleksandar Petakov. And then there’s the films, which is all-encompassing. It’s myself and Courteney Swihart and Heather Moser and Zach Palmisano. We also just launched our book publishing wing back in July and just published our first book under that in print now as well.
So there’s at least three different teams, but we’re trying do something that I don’t think has been done within the paranormal world, the paranormal space, whatever you want to call it. It’s like you said – create a fully functioning, autonomous, independent production house that makes our own rules and does what we want, and puts out content that we think people that are into these topics are going to want to see or read or however you take in your paranormal media.
JIM HAROLD: You kind of cover it all. Let me ask you this. I got the sense when you first started you were interested in this stuff – not necessarily a true believer. I’m not saying that you’re a true believer now, but has your attitude and your thoughts about paranormal phenomena of all sorts evolved over time? Has it changed?
SETH BREEDLOVE: Yeah, it’s definitely evolved. It’s constantly evolving. I would never brand myself as a believer, but when it comes to something like Bigfoot, I saw one last year, so that kind of changes the way you think about that particular topic. [laughs]
And like I said, it’s always evolving when it comes to the other subjects that we cover, like Mothman and Dogman and all the UFO stuff that we get into. We saw strange lights in the woods back in – jeez, when was that? May or June, we were out in the woods on the Chestnut Ridge, and all of us in a group of about 20 had multiple sightings of strange lights moving through the woods. You’re always adjusting and evolving within the phenomena as you encounter them, I guess.
JIM HAROLD: I’d be not doing my job if I didn’t follow up on that one statement. You saw a Bigfoot?! Tell us about Bigfoot. I’ve got to admit, I believe in ghosts, I believe in the afterlife, I believe there’s something going on with UFOs – probably nonhuman, or very strange at least in some cases – Bigfoot’s one I’ve got to say that if I’m skeptical about one, it’s Bigfoot. It’s like, ask me what day of the week it is and I’ll give you a different answer on my thoughts on Bigfoot. I just can’t grasp it. But boy, you saw one. Tell us about that, because that’s awesome.
SETH BREEDLOVE: I’m the same as you. When I first got into this stuff, I was what you would term a believer, I guess. I was full-blown, everything was real, Bigfoot exists, blah, blah, blah. Then over time, with the amount of places I’ve been to and the amount of films we made and things like that, I was getting to the point where I was fairly convinced these things might not be real.
And then I had a series of encounters that started in 2018 in Oklahoma, where something threw rocks at our tent and screamed and things like that, and through filming On the Trail of Bigfoot: The Discovery, we got to see this really interesting site in the Olympic National Forest where a group called the Olympic Project have found what they believe to be Bigfoot nests. That kind of moved the needle a little bit for me as well.
And then last summer, fittingly, here in Ohio, we were filming my series for YouTube, The Bigfoot Project – which was originally conceived to basically be an in-the-field podcast and then became something else entirely because of the amount of activity we were experiencing – so our researcher at STM, Heather Moser, her family owns property outside of Minerva. Probably around 400 acres. Somewhat wooded, patchy woods, farmland. Lot of hills and valleys, water, stuff like that. It’s like a perfect Bigfoot habitat.
She moved in last August, and not long after they moved onto the property, which was owned by her family and does have a long history of encounters, actually – her husband’s mom actually had seen a Bigfoot back in I think 2018, in December. So we knew there was activity on the property. She started finding activity pretty much as soon as they moved in. There were things being moved around in the woods that didn’t make a lot of sense.
That’s all detailed in Episode 1 of The Bigfoot Project, but basically there was just a lot of strange activity. No sightings, but sounds and wood knocks and things like that.
We actually brought Aleksandar Petakov and Eli Watson out to film an episode of Beyond the Trail out there, and we stayed out there as a group for four or five days. While we were out there, we had some strange activity. Nothing really mind-blowing or super conclusive. There was one night where Eli and Aleks woke up in the middle of the night because they heard what sounded like a person on two feet running around their tent, which was in the woods on top of a hill. We have nicknames for all the different areas of the property, and that particularly woods we call the Rougarou woods because we shot one of the recreations for our Rougarou film there.
But they had that happen; they had strange sounds in the night. We had a really cool wood knock go off outside of a cabin that my son and I were sleeping in one night. Went off about 2 a.m. It sounded like it did a wood knock right on a huge pine tree right outside the cabin. It actually woke me up. I was convinced for a second that everyone was outside the cabin and that they had just been really rude and woke myself and my, at the time, four-year-old son up. [laughs]
After a couple minutes, I went outside and discovered there was no one out there. I radioed them and they were nowhere near the cabin. In fact, Aleks was up in a tree stand surrounded by coyote. No one was anywhere near the cabin, so it had to have been probably a Bigfoot, presumably.
So that shoot went off. Nothing crazy happened. The next week, I decided we were going to do this project out there called The Bigfoot Project. It would be an ongoing series for YouTube, and it would be myself and a different guest each episode, staying out at the cabin, talking. A lot of talking to the camera. Basically an in-the-field podcast.
So we went out there, and on our first night there, which wasn’t really even a shooting night – we were out there with our kids. Heather had all her kids out there and I had my son. We were at the cabin and all sorts of stuff started happening. We had wood knocks, we had strange vocalizations. Something walked up behind the cabin and was looking in the window at the kids. A lot of really bizarre – a huge big rock was thrown off a hillside and landed in the forest near us. Just a lot of activity.
Keep in mind this is rural farmland. Whenever you talk about this kind of activity, people are like, “It’s other people messing with you.” But rural farmland in Ohio – which Jim, I’m sure you’re familiar with – you don’t go on other people’s property here, especially in the middle of the woods.
JIM HAROLD: Right. It may not end well.
SETH BREEDLOVE: Yeah, definitely don’t throw rocks at them and stuff like that, unless you’re cool with getting shot because half the people we were with had guns. So a lot of weird activity. That night ended; the next day we were out hanging up trail cams. It’s 400 acres, so you’ve got to take an ATV to get around because it’s a lot of property. So we were on an ATV and we were crossing across a pipeline, which is a clear cut that ran up this one hill. The hill was covered in brush.
We were driving; we had just crossed a big patch of woods, and there’s this pipeline, clear cut running up the hill. As we cross in front of it, I looked up on the side of the hill, and running – maybe I saw it for 15 feet. It was less than a second, is what I think that I actually laid eyes on the thing. It was dark brown. Fur, not hair. I’ve had that discussion with other witnesses now, and it kind of runs the gamut with Bigfoot, what they look like. Some people say it had really long stringy hair. This thing was fur. It looked like a bear, I guess.
It was running about 15 feet. It was on two legs. I saw its arm pumping as it ran, and for some reason my brain latched on to the muscle movement in the arm, up by the bicep. You could see muscle moving under the fur, which was super interesting. It moved like an Olympic sprinter, and I caught it as it had crossed – it was mostly out of the clearing and into the tree line when I laid eyes on it, and it was gone in a fraction of a second.
We were doing about 20 miles an hour when we crossed the pipeline, and I screamed “Stop!”, but I had already jumped when I screamed stop. [laughs] I hit the ground out of this ATV that was doing about 20 miles an hour, and just started running. We were also on a decline, so I hit the ground at a weird angle, pointed down. I’m doing that thing where my arms are flailing around trying to keep my balance so I don’t fall forward. I ran as fast as I could, and I hit that brush line and I couldn’t go any further up the hill because it’s Ohio, and brush in Ohio is like six feet tall and it’s thorns and all that kind of stuff.
So I hit the brush line, couldn’t go any further. You could hear it moving around up the hill, and in fact, once Cory, who was driving the ATV, turned around and came back, we could still hear it moving around up there for the next five minutes while we were standing down on the brush line, trying to find our way into the woods.
We did eventually make our way into the woods where it would’ve been and hung the trail cam there. The trail cams obviously never catch anything, and we never have caught any evidence of Bigfoot on the trail cams. But we had a lot of strange activity there.
That season wrapped up this past spring with an episode I did with Cliff Barackman. Cliff actually came down there and stayed with me. Interestingly enough, when he was there we didn’t experience anything at the cabin, but we did catch a really cool call, like a scream, about 15-20 minutes away at a place called Leesville Lake, which geographically is relatively close to Minerva and the area.
That was the end of Season 1. We’re going to kick off Season 2 probably in the fall, and they’ll run six to eight episodes per season. I’ll start expanding out this season, getting out beyond the property of Minerva and going into other areas, like Leesville Lake. I’m going to go down to Salt Fork and stay there as well and see if we can have some more activity.
The focus is also shifting now from just “can we have an encounter?” to exploring the Bigfoot history of the area and trying to make sense of what these things are doing in places like the property in Minerva. Because it doesn’t make much sense that they’re there. Conceivably, it could be habitat for something like a Bigfoot, but it doesn’t make a ton of sense. It’s not super close to a major waterway. There is water there; there’s creeks and things like that that come down out of the hills. There’s a really nice spring there. There’s a little lake. But there isn’t a major body of water that moves through that area. Not directly where the property is.
It’s also patchy forest because it’s Ohio and it’s farmland, so it’s not like a densely forested property. It doesn’t make a ton of sense that they’re there. But that’s the series. That’s The Bigfoot Project.
JIM HAROLD: And that’s on YouTube, right?
SETH BREEDLOVE: Yeah, that one’s on YouTube.
JIM HAROLD: Give people your YouTube channel where they can find that.
SETH BREEDLOVE: If you just go on YouTube and look up Small Town Monsters – I think the URL is just youtube.com/smalltownmonsters. But yeah, that’s the series that I’m doing over there.
JIM HAROLD: Why do you think that Bigfoot is so elusive? This always comes back to the same question, and it seems like we always get the same answer: Why don’t we have a body? Why don’t we have fur? Why don’t we have something very substantial somebody could take into a laboratory and say, “This is a nonhuman biped”? Why don’t we have that?
I know that the standard answer is nature takes care of its own, and you don’t walk through the woods and typically find a deer carcass or a bear carcass or those kinds of things. But why can’t we get a better fix on it? What do you think? Because obviously, you saw one, so it must be real. So why can’t we get that?
SETH BREEDLOVE: It’s actually more frustrating now that I’ve seen one. There’s a real unwillingness within the Bigfoot community, Bigfooters, to say the words “I don’t know.”
JIM HAROLD: Right.
SETH BREEDLOVE: So I don’t know. I have no idea why we don’t have a body. One of our movies opens with a dialogue about this. I think it was On the Trail of Bigfoot: The Discovery. That’s the most common question we get. “Why don’t we have a body?” Then I talk about how Bigfooters will talk about the fact that there’s dense foliage for the body to lay under; especially here in the Northeast, a carcass will decompose in the woods and be gone in two weeks. In a month there’s no trace at all.
So you’ve got all those answers, but none of it really solves the mystery of why we don’t have those things. So I don’t know. And having seen one, it’s even more frustrating, because if one of those things died in Minerva, you would find it. There’s no way you’re not going to find it. We found deer skeletons and deer carcasses on that property. There’s not enough patchy forest there that if these things died there, you wouldn’t find a body. So I don’t know why we haven’t.
I don’t subscribe to the paranormal theory for what these things are in any way. Honestly, I just think they’re an unknown ape. But at the same time, I have no idea. I don’t have a horse in the race. [laughs] I really don’t.
JIM HAROLD: I think that’s good. I think it’s good to have someone who says, “Look, I just want to find out about the experiences, find out as much as I can that goes on, but it doesn’t matter to me if it’s explanation A, B, C, or X. It doesn’t matter to me.”
SETH BREEDLOVE: Yeah, people get really married to one theory or the other. One of the biggest issues right now in the Bigfoot world is that people are so entrenched in whatever their favorite pet theory is about what Bigfoot is. They’ll attack each other – we get attacked on a weekly basis on our YouTube channel over referring to it as a dumb animal or an ape. Or if you put anything paranormal in the episode, then the people that think they’re apes say you’ve gone woo-woo and then they get mad about that.
We’re doing a series right now about the Chestnut Ridge Sasquatch, Unearth the Ridge, and that gets into some of the weirder aspects of the Bigfoot phenomenon. There’s orbs and portals in the woods and UFO sightings and all that kind of stuff that correlate to areas where Bigfoot are seen. Then you get angry comments from the flesh-and-blood Bigfoot crowd saying that you’re woo and you’ve gone off the rails and all this kind of stuff.
The fact is, like I said, we don’t have a horse in the race. For us, we’re just going to cover whatever’s out there. I’m making a series like that on the Ridge because we had done a film about the Chestnut Ridge back in 2017. It’s one of my favorite movies we’ve made, and anyone that’s talked to Stan Gordon knows there’s a lot more to the Chestnut Ridge activity than can be covered in a single movie. So we thought it’d be exciting to make a six- to eight-episode series and really delve into all the weird activity there.
That’s the goal. The goal isn’t to convince people or dissuade people from the existence of Bigfoot or to try to convince people that Bigfoot is somehow paranormal or flesh and blood. It’s just to document the history of the subject in whatever way we can.
JIM HAROLD: There’s a film that you have out currently I wanted to talk to you about, because this is one that interests me. Bigfoot, I can say, yeah, there’s a possibility that it exists. But I always thought of the topic of werewolves as pure fiction. But you’ve done a movie called American Werewolves. Tell us about the concept behind that. I know it ties into Dogman. Tell us about it.
SETH BREEDLOVE: Actually, I’m excited you brought it up. I’ll announce this, I guess, here. We’re making a sequel to this one. It’s called American Werewolves: The Skinwalkers, which we’re going to go out to the Southwest and focus on the topic as it exists in the American Southwest as well.
So American Werewolves is kind of throwing out the format that we’ve used with most of the other projects we do. “On the Trai of” has a very specific – it’s usually got a host. On the Trial of Bigfoot is hosted by me; On the Trail of UFOs was hosted by Shannon LeGro. And then the “Legend” movies, as we refer to them, which would be our Minerva Monster and Beast of Whitehall and The Mothman of Point Pleasant – that’s just a retelling of the history of a localized legend, like the Mothman or what have you.
American Werewolves covered two states. It covered Ohio and Kentucky. It’s basically boiling down these topics, getting away from the folklore and even some of the history that surrounds them and just letting witnesses tell the story. We don’t spend a ton of time on delving into the fact that people saw werewolves in Rome or whatever. This is about what people are seeing in places around the United States that are very small town America, is essentially what it is, and solely letting the witnesses tell the story.
The movie has a number of interviews, and of the interviews, there’s only two that I’m aware of in the entire film that are interviews with someone who hasn’t seen something for themselves. Every other interview is a witness telling their story.
So that’s what American Werewolves is. We had some really great encounter tales from really believable witnesses. There’s a retired police officer who told us about his encounter in Land Between the Lakes. What else is in there? There’s so many really cool, spooky – there’s one here in Ohio with a guy who lived down near Yellow Springs, Ohio who had an encounter with what he believes was a werewolf or a Dogman where it paralleled him. As a teenager, while he was running one late afternoon/evening, it was running through the woods in a cornfield paralleling him.
Just some really unnerving stories, and the whole point of it is to let witnesses tell that story and let the audience make up their own mind as to what they believe or disbelieve happened without all the minutiae of the folklore that typically we spend a lot of time delving into.
It’s fun because the Jersey Devil movie that’s coming out is all about folklore. It’s all about the dissection of the legend of the Jersey Devil – how it originated, what the basis is, the history of it. It’s a movie comprised of interviews with historians and folklorists. And then American Werewolves is the exact opposite. It is very much about witnesses telling their witness stories.
For us, part of what we do when it comes down to trying to establish what our slate is going to be each year, part of helping us decide that is just trying to keep it interesting for us. Because when you’re making four movies a year and 50-60 hours of content on YouTube, you can burn yourself out if you’re just doing the same type of thing over and over. So for us, that’s part of the process of putting together a slate like this: figuring out different ways to tell the stories.
JIM HAROLD: One thing I think has got to be super cool is the people you get to meet. It strikes me a lot of these people are salt of the earth, and that’s why I put so much credence in many of the stories you hear. Down-to-earth people. And I’m not saying everybody, but I’m sure you get to meet some really neat characters in this line of business.
SETH BREEDLOVE: Yeah. Especially with something like American Werewolves. I come from a family of history buffs, history lovers. My parents owned a historical bookstore for most of my life. We traveled as a kid and did book shows and conferences and historical conventions and things like that. I grew up around authors. So I have a love for historians and stuff like that. Something like the Jersey Devil really speaks to that side of me.
But witnesses tend to be where I really – those are the people that I want to be around most of the time because they’re just ordinary people who had something extraordinary happen to them. Obviously, I love working with groups like the Olympic Project or the North American Wood Ape Conservancy on the Bigfoot films. But I also find that whenever you run into drama and ego, it’s going to be on the investigator side of things. [laughs] It’s not all of them, but certainly in the Bigfoot world, people get married to their pet theories or they feel an ownership over certain stories, and they bristle if you come near it.
As time has gone on, I’m getting more and more to the point where I just want to talk to witnesses. There’s groups that I do enjoy working directly with, especially in the Pacific Northwest. I don’t know why that is, but the Northeast seems to – there’s just a lot of infighting amongst the groups in the Northeast. But yeah, I love talking to witnesses.
Some of the godfathers of these topics that we’ve gotten to be around, too, is pretty exciting. Like Loren Coleman was someone we’ve gotten to work with a few times, and he’s always really interesting to have involved. Actually, Jim – we haven’t put this out yet, but Loren’s only conference appearance next year is going to be Monster Fest. We haven’t announced that officially yet. I guess you can put that in here and this can be the official announcement.
JIM HAROLD: Excellent. Two official announcements in one podcast. That’s pretty cool.
SETH BREEDLOVE: Yeah. As far as I know – I know he’s going to be speaking at his conference in Maine, the International Cryptozoology Conference. But his only other conference appearance next year is going to be at Monster Fest, and he’s going to have one of his sons with him as well. I can’t remember the name, unfortunately, because I’m terrible with names. But yeah, we’re excited about that. Loren will be there.
Lyle Blackburn has been involved with STM since the beginning as well. People like that are a joy to work with.
JIM HAROLD: Lyle’s great.
SETH BREEDLOVE: Yeah, but for me, I like talking to witnesses. That’s what got me into it with the Minerva story, and the longer time goes on, the more I enjoy moving away from the infighting and some of the drama that goes on with the various research groups and just getting back to talking to witnesses.
JIM HAROLD: I’ve got to say, one of my favorite things I do is the Campfire podcast and talking to experiencers. I’ve got to say it’s my favorite thing. I do enjoy talking with authors and investigators and different people, but talking with the experiencers brings back to its base.
SETH BREEDLOVE: Yeah, what got you into it in the first place.
JIM HAROLD: Exactly. Now, you mentioned Monster Fest. You were kind enough to ask me to appear. I’m going to be there. The guys from Astonishing Legends are going to be there. Lyle Blackburn’s going to be there. A host of other people are going to be there, and now Loren Coleman, my goodness. I’m looking forward to finally meeting him. I guess the big question on that would be: what is it, where is it, and how can people get tickets to it?
SETH BREEDLOVE: You were on the shortlist. You were one of the first four people we announced.
JIM HAROLD: Thank you.
SETH BREEDLOVE: You were on the shortlist from the beginning of people that I wanted. For one thing, you’re in Ohio along with us. I wanted the event to at least celebrate Ohio and Ohioans in some capacity.
The official event, Monster Fest itself, is June 3rd of next year. June 2nd, we are also bringing in the Canton Palace Theatre, which is one of my favorite places to do events and show movies. We’re going to show On the Trail of Bigfoot: The Land of the Missing, which is a follow-up to On the Trail of Bigfoot: The Last Frontier. That is a film about some of the more terrifying aspects of the Bigfoot topic in Alaska, which really boils down to missing people and aggressive encounters, and some of the weirder aspects of Bigfoot in Alaska as well. That’s going to premiere at the Canton Palace Theatre on June 2nd, the night before Monster Fest.
If you’re coming in for the weekend and you want to do something Friday, that’s the thing to come do. We’ll probably do a Q&A afterward and things like that as well.
It’s smalltownmonsters.com/stmmonsterfest – you also can probably just punch in stmmonsterfest.com – to get tickets. I do know vendor spaces are completely full. It’s going to be an all-day event at the Double Tree in downtown Canton, Ohio – which at one time was the McKinley Grand. It’s a gorgeous hotel. They’ve completely renovated it. But I know when I was a kid, the McKinley Grand was like the crown jewel of downtown Canton. We used to go for breakfast there and all sorts of things. I think whenever Hall of Fame players come into town, this is the same hotel where they stay at. So it’s a really nice hotel.
There’s a great restaurant and bar there. They’re doing a themed menu for the event, so there’s going to be like Mothman sandwiches and Bigfoot burgers and all kinds of stuff like that as well.
JIM HAROLD: Bigfoot burger, now you’re talking my language, Seth. Now we’re talking. I’m thrilled to be going, and I recommend anybody who – and forget about me; all these other people are there, and your film and everything. I mean, highly recommended. If you’re into cryptids and you’re interested, it seems like the natural place to be in June of 2023.
SETH BREEDLOVE: Yeah. Like I said, it’s an all-day event. There’s going to be speakers. Stan Gordon’s going to be there; he’s going to be speaking. Lyle will be there, you’ll be there. We’re going to have a live podcast room as well, which I’ve got to figure out for sure which podcast we’re going to do. I can’t remember if I even talked to you about that yet, so I’m not going to say anything else.
JIM HAROLD: Not yet, but we can talk about it offline.
SETH BREEDLOVE: Yeah. My friend Jeremiah Byron, who does the Bigfoot Society podcast, is going to be doing a live podcast in there. Astonishing Legends is doing a live podcast in there. It’s a small room, though. So if you’re excited to have an intimate experience with some of these podcasts, that’s going to be a really cool place, because the room that the live podcasts are in only seats like 60. We’re pretty excited about that.
There’s going to be screenings throughout the day in one of the other rooms, and then there’s a speaker hall where there are a few of the people that are at the event speaking – although the event isn’t really about talks. It’s more of like a Comic Con kind of atmosphere. That’s what I wanted to create, like a paranormal Comic Con. It’s more about getting to meet and talk to people you like.
The guest list for this thing is huge, too. The Astonishing Legends guys are going to be there, Richard Hatem is going to be there. Lyle, Stan, all these other people we’ve announced. But there’s still some announcements to come. Plus the STM crew. Aleks and Eli will be there, I’ll be there. I think it’s going to be really cool.
The vendor room is massive, too. I think we have 70 vendors setting up there, so it’s a very large venue. We’re pretty excited about it.
JIM HAROLD: Well, again, Seth Breedlove is doing it the way that I like to do it. Do your own thing, set your own course. Don’t have to rely on the man because if you work hard enough, you can become the man, or woman. Either one. I admire what you do, Seth. Again, tell people the main location if people want to connect to everything that you do.
SETH BREEDLOVE: Smalltownmonsters.com, and then just follow us on social media. We’re on Facebook and Instagram and YouTube and Twitter. Head over there if you’re into this kind of thing. Sometime in September, we’re doing our launch video for 2023, where we’ll announce the titles we’re making next year and what is going to be a part of our 2023 Kickstarter that launches in February.
JIM HAROLD: Very good. Small Town Monsters. Seth Breedlove has created a paranormal powerhouse of a studio right in Ohio. Very proud as an Ohioan, as a friend as well. Hopefully at Monster Fest, we won’t have any crazy Uber drivers. That was a little before Uber, but we’ve told that story before. Seth, thanks so much for being a part of the show today.
SETH BREEDLOVE: Thanks for having me.
JIM HAROLD: Thanks so much for tuning in to the Paranormal Podcast, and thanks to Seth and Char for taking time from their busy schedules to talk to us about their various projects.
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